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    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post

    DoTs tick regardless of whether you're on the boss or not, and summoner DoTs are ~60.83 pps, which is roughly 65% of a summoner's personal dps, or 75% of the summoner's total dps (including pet on boss) even when the summoner is doing nothing but staring at the ground.

    W-Wha...?

    65% of Summoner's personal DPS but 75% of summoner's total dps?
    how's that even possible math-wise.
    I don't think you had Garuda's dot extention-ability in mind when you wrote that
    lets say you deal 100dps without and 150dps with pet
    then that means your dots deal 65dps without and 112 dps with a pet?


    also there is a difference between having the need of 3-4 global cooldowns as a ramp up time (SMN) and just one or 2 (BLM) especially when it comes to burst/lower HP stuff, or even certain phases during boss fights
    dots can be both good and bad, depending on how the boss/fight is designed
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    Last edited by KrayZee; 10-19-2013 at 07:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZee View Post
    W-Wha...?

    65% of Summoner's personal DPS but 75% of summoner's total dps?
    how's that even possible math-wise.
    He means the pet stays on the boss while you do not. e.g.: 65% with no pet, 75% when the pet is still attacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PessimiStick View Post
    He means the pet stays on the boss while you do not. e.g.: 65% with no pet, 75% when the pet is still attacking.
    which is exactly what can't be right, it should be the other way around
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    Sorry, the wording is confusing.

    Regardless of pet, you do ~65% of your personal DPS with DoTs.

    If you have your pet on your target while you go attack or do something else, you retain 75% of your single target dps on the boss.

    If your pet cannot attack the target either, then you still do ~65% of your personal dps, but ~49% of your total single target dps on the boss.

    So even if you can't see or interact with the boss in any way, unless it is invulnerable, you do 50% of your usual damage to it.

    If you have your pet on it, you do about 75% of your usual dps to it.

    EDIT: ps the numbers are a bit off, cause this was napkin math.

    Based on previous analysis, loss of ruin is ~15.6% of your personal dps lost, or ~12% total dps loss.
    Losing (or not having) your pet is close to a 25% dps loss.
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    Last edited by pandabearcat; 10-19-2013 at 07:23 AM.

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    Bard or atleast that's what most people say until we get nerfed in 2.1

    /thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lecreuset View Post
    Bard or atleast that's what most people say until we get nerfed in 2.1

    /thread
    From looking through this thread there doesn't appear to be a "most". Doesn't sound like much of a /thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by xyaie View Post
    From looking through this thread there doesn't appear to be a "most". Doesn't sound like much of a /thread
    2 threads over 20 pages(probably more) crying about bard and being glad it's getting some adjustments. Look harder.

    /thread
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    Last edited by Lecreuset; 10-22-2013 at 04:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lecreuset View Post
    2 threads over 20 pages(probably more) crying about bard and being glad it's getting some adjustments. Look harder.

    /thread
    BRD's not getting nerfed because it is the top DPS. It is getting nerfed because it is capable of more DPS than it was meant to be as a safe, ranged class with high mobility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    BRD's not getting nerfed because it is the top DPS. It is getting nerfed because it is capable of more DPS than it was meant to be as a safe, ranged class with high mobility.
    I couldn't care less what they do and why(unless they made bards more of a support roll then I'd be really happy), I'm still gonna be able to play it effectively. I'm just saying what I see people say/complain about in the forums.
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    Last edited by Lecreuset; 10-22-2013 at 04:38 PM.

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    Bard without a doubt. Also easiest to play.
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