Best DPS class in the game?

[Aicasia]

Which numbers? Didn't know there was already a parser or DPS meter available for FFXIV: ARR.

Really? It's been mentioned several times in this thread alone.

[xyaie]

Which numbers? Didn't know there was already a parser or DPS meter available for FFXIV: ARR.

I use zam's. I believe multiple are out there

[Dixa]

So no one voted for Summoner as one of the higher end dps-er? No?

Oh ok, i guess i should just go around the corner and jump my arse off the river for choosing to be a summoner.

summoner has issues

1) no on demand burst. ther is no logical reason for ruin to even be 80 potency when archers get two dots of greater potency than ours AND have several 150-190 nukes - two of them off the gcd - at the same time

2) debuff limit - in large fates and eventually 24 man raiding since every class has 2-4 debuffs they apply our dots will be knocked off. this means no full power festers. this means we aren't going to be doing our full dps

3) overplayed - everyone and their mother is playing the class vs. the others. i see this more at 40+ than i did 1-30

[SKYeXile]

Yea summoner DPS is just plain bad, iv never seen one do remotely good DPS and i am counting their PET DPS...

[Rosencranz]

I actually find myself a little bit "out of mentality" here.

Strangely enough, in most endgame run - wanderer palace, tonby bossy - doing the right amount of damage, is the thing that determine a good dps job.

I can easily put a mob on full red all the time, but i prefer to focus having it on yellow. I'll do less damage? Yes, of course.

But being the "best" dps means - for me, imho - being able to maximize damages with hate-control, make easier the life of the healer and the tank, ending a fight quick, but not in a messy rushed way.

Being the best isn't a matter of "how much damage i can unleash", but "how much damage I NEED to unleash". It's childish being a show-off, and sadly mostly dps ARE show-offs.

We are that strange thing that can make fights easier, or a total mess. Best DPS achieve the first. Braggy DPS the second.

as i was saying, those are my 2 cents.

[Reiterpallasch]

in reality the classes are close enough the best player will be the best DPS. They are all capable of being number 1 under the right conditions.

You're wrong. (inb4 you talk about how you killed "garuta")

Quite frankly, this discussion is moot. Play your class well, and you can out damage 90% of the player base.

Also wrong.

Seriously, did you guys like not read anything in this thread or something?

I can already pull aggro from tanks whenever I want... why do I want more damage?

Bad tank is bad then if you can pull off of them whenever you want. Or you're lying. Maybe both. You should always want more dps though, provided you can safely do so.

[xyaie]

I actually find myself a little bit "out of mentality" here.

Strangely enough, in most endgame run - wanderer palace, tonby bossy - doing the right amount of damage, is the thing that determine a good dps job.

I can easily put a mob on full red all the time, but i prefer to focus having it on yellow. I'll do less damage? Yes, of course.

But being the "best" dps means - for me, imho - being able to maximize damages with hate-control, make easier the life of the healer and the tank, ending a fight quick, but not in a messy rushed way.

Being the best isn't a matter of "how much damage i can unleash", but "how much damage I NEED to unleash". It's childish being a show-off, and sadly mostly dps ARE show-offs.

We are that strange thing that can make fights easier, or a total mess. Best DPS achieve the first. Braggy DPS the second.

as i was saying, those are my 2 cents.

makes perfect since

but i disagree with the basis in general. so you think its better to lower to dps to make it easier on the tank, and thats good and well, no reason to stroke your epeen there, but what does that matter then? Everyone can lower their dps to stay under the hate cap as long as its more than auto attacking, but you strive to do more than just the minimum right? What happens when you group with an amazing tank with tons of threat to spare. you can do as much as you want, i can do as much as i want, he can do as much as he wants and so on? thats what we are referring to here.

yes most of the time you cant go all out, thats true, but why base everything around worse case senarios? I'd rather get a dungeon done in 15 minutes rather than 2 hours, although both people got the boss done. If i have a good tank and i go all out as does the other dps and the healer and everyone playing their best what does that have to do with showing off?

Im all for "doing my best" in anything that i care about. When i played soccer for the Y as a kid i didnt just play around, i played to win (obviously following the rules). it was more fun to me that way, but that was back when only one team got a trophy. I dont consider this to be any different, "playing your best" would mean not pulling agro, yes, but it doesnt mean you should never care about how effective youre actually being. If you feel that your top damage doesnt matter, thats great, you pay your monthly fee, you can play how you want, but i dont think that is the general idea of this thread.

[Shunye]

Generic DPS thread. Please stop jumping in with non-answers and just let people answer the question. "which dps class is the best?" not "which dps class can control their threat?" or "which dps class can be played the best?"

[HoroBoro]

You're wrong. (inb4 you talk about how you killed "garuta")
Also wrong.

Seriously, did you guys like not read anything in this thread or something?

Bad tank is bad then if you can pull off of them whenever you want. Or you're lying. Maybe both. You should always want more dps though, provided you can safely do so.

Sounds like you're trying to pick a fight friend. Instead of insults, can/may you please explain how making everyone think that you need to be 1 class = to do UBER 1337 OMG DAMAGE!!!L! Or else lolz soz uselessorz is a good thing, Mr. MasterRace?

I don't mind DPS conversations, but as a tool - not as a device to segregate. Do you honestly think that the classes are imbalanced enough that unless you pick a certain class, you cannot out-damage your peers?

I would rather not see 1000000 bards. And then 100000000 Lalafell plainsfolk because they have the most dex and are smallest (BECAUSE PVP)!

I honestly do not want tanks and healers to build on what they already stereotype us with. I.E. DPS are all hyperactive, rude, tunnel-visioned jerks.

Generic DPS thread. Please stop jumping in with non-answers and just let people answer the question. "which dps class is the best?" not "which dps class can control their threat?" or "which dps class can be played the best?"

Shunye - answer me this question. If you go into engineering, which engineer is the best engineer?

[xyaie]

I always disagree with "youre wrong" then not really saying anything to back it up. but in general there often is a best, sometimes the best can be substantially above the worst. atm i dont see conditions to where bard isnt top dps (as they arent hurt by movement or range or switching targets or really anything as bad as others, all the while being supposedly top dps).

to the engineer, there is something my friends and i have dubbed "ep value". if a class does 90% the damage of the highest dps, but also does 50% the healing of the best healer, and the top dps is just providing dps, the 90/50 guy has more ep value. he is a bigger asset to the team on an overall point. technically he would be your best engineer. however OP asked who the top dps class was in the first post, so its who provides the highest numbers at this very specific job, the engineer thing is kinda irreverent then