Dev tracker: it's what we asked for, so why the negativity? Cheer on SE :)

[Peregrine]

In this arena, MLK Jr tactics get steamrolled. Loud voices get heard. My largest concern is that Square Enix is taking advantage of your all's goodhearted nature and easy appeasy demeanor right now, because that's what Yoshi-P was brought on to do as the best business strategy. He is very good at making you think he's on your side, but is the game better? No, it is not. The user interface and stability is starting to look like retail product, but not the game. Not even the new content of the game.

I see the last three consecutive new releases...those quests...these spells...that holiday...as smoke and mirror tactics meant to divert your attention and pacify you, not correct their deficiencies. If plied well enough, and spun softly enough, they can divert player attention from problems that are not being solved and look like they are presenting solutions when they really aren't.

They have cut so many corners in these new releases, that there isn't any more easy, low-caliber content left to try to divert with. They're out of chaff. They burned another holiday event. That's not going to help any concerns. Doubling the size of spells doesn't make them pay to play caliber effects. Those quests don't add any value to the product at all. They were all easy, simple, pseudofixes. Pseudofixes.

I've been a fan of SE long enough to know when they're trying to pull a fast one and get out of a situation by careful management of a crisis instead of fundamental improvement of what got them there. God love em, but they just don't change in the end. They're the same company they've ever been.

This is one of those times when you just need to backhand them and tell them you know what they're trying to do and it's not going to work.

If that second batch of quests come out like crap...you will have to pull me off a moderator here. We can't continue at this current trajectory. Those quests are going to come out before the battle engine and PVE content and job overhaul is my guess, and they will be proof as to what SE's commitment to quality actually is, or if they're just overwhelmed to the point of decompensation.

[Betelgeuzah]

I see the last three consecutive new releases...those quests...these spells...that holiday...as smoke and mirror tactics meant to divert your attention and pacify you, not correct their deficiencies.

Then what the hell do you suggest them do? What is your superior alternative?

Real fixes take longer to complete. That is a fact, simple as that. Should they not do anything before said real fixes are done, or should they at least make it look like they are making steady progress? This is the difference between monthly and tri-monthly patches. Smoke and mirrors vs. everything at once.

As the end result is the same regardless, I like monthly patches. It gives us something to look forward to every month, even if the big stuff takes longer to develop.

So, I ask you once again- what the hell is this superior alternative to smoke and mirrors? You don't develop any larger fix in a month. Or even two months. We get either nothing or something small. That won't change no matter how you slice and dice it.

It was clear from the very beginning that when you are working on rehauls of the core game features, you won't see the results before enough time has passed. We are just now approaching that stage.

[Abriael]

"The evil corporation is tricking you all! Because I say so!".

Please...

I agree completely with the OP. I'd rather have them at work on the game than on humoring me with detailed reports that don't really add much to my enjoyment of the game.
I'm judging every update as it comes, and I will do so in the future. So far they have done a good job, and if they'll continue doing a good job in a reasonable time (something that certain people have absolutely no idea of, with their "I want it now!" attitude), then I'll stay. Otherwise I'll just find myself another game. This one has already provided me with plenty fun and gameplay to justify it's initial cost anyway.

Continuously screamed unconstructive bashing helps no one and is absolutely unsightly to see and read. People that think that by "backhanding" (without the slightest idea of how game development works, and of the work the team is actually doing) they can help the game improve need a reality check. Unconstructive radio noise isn't even relayed to the developers. They have plenty enough to read with all the actually constructive and useful posts.
All the shouting, bashing and "backhanding", has the sole effect of sinking the aforementioned constructive and useful posts, and making the job of the community team harder in distinguishing legit signals from the radio noise, while creating reports for the devs to read.
Not only it's not useful, but it's detrimental.

Constructiveness is the only way to help.

[Peregrine]

So, I ask you once again- what the hell is this superior alternative to smoke and mirrors? You don't develop any larger fix in a month. Or even two months. We get either nothing or something small. That won't change no matter how you slice and dice it..

Apologies for those quests before they were relased would be a start. Assurances that they do not represent the standard that SE envisions AS THEY ARE RELEASED. They should admit that the spell sizes isn't their primary response to what we think of the spells. They should admit that their first batch of quests are low-caliber and simple. They should come right out and say that the holiday event caused no delays in any MEANINGFUL content.

They continue to hype free to play caliber content instead of being honest with the players. I want them to tell me they know those quests weren't representative of their intended quality, before I have to point that fact out.

The superior alternative is some humility for humiliating content.

[Abriael]

Apologies for those quests before they were relased would be a start. Assurances that they do not represent the standard that SE envisions AS THEY ARE RELEASED. They should admit that the spell sizes isn't their primary response to what we think of the spells. They should admit that their first batch of quests are low-caliber and simple. They should come right out and say that the holiday event caused no delays in any MEANINGFUL content.

Basically what you want is just a bunch more negativity.

There's no apology owed to anyone for *optional* content, that actually gives some nice insight on several areas of the game's lore, and implements the system for bigger pieces of content in the future.
You don't enjoy them? It's not doctors' orders to play them. I do.

Anyone with a shred of logic knew very well that the first quests to be implemented were the most basic ones, that take less time to be developed. That's what they're called SIDE-quests.
Developers owe no apologies for personal and unrealistic expectations.

They continue to hype free to play caliber content instead of being honest with the players. I want them to tell me they know those quests weren't representative of their intended quality, before I have to point that fact out.

They're "hyping" absolutely nothing. They're simply communicating. Please quote a single developer post that states that any of those changes you complain so much about (and that others quite evidently enjoy) will have any big impact on the game.
Otherwise, the devs aren't the ones using smoke and mirrors here.

[Nakiamiie]

I am grateful for all the works SE, the mods, the translators, etc. are doing. Receiving news on the forum from time to time is much better than none at all!

I just hope our threads get read and are brought to the devs before they are drowned in the flow of other threads.
Since we can't send suggestion directly to SE now, I fear some good suggestions may fall in the dept of the forum before they are brought to the devs if they don't catch enough attention at the right time.

Other than that, I think the forum is a great way of communication between us and SE, good work!

[Betelgeuzah]

Apologies for those quests before they were relased would be a start. Assurances that they do not represent the standard that SE envisions AS THEY ARE RELEASED. They should admit that the spell sizes isn't their primary response to what we think of the spells. They should admit that their first batch of quests are low-caliber and simple. They should come right out and say that the holiday event caused no delays in any MEANINGFUL content.

This is all fluff that does not affect the end result in any shape or form. They have already stated quite explicitly that improving the core game features is their number one priority, not putting out additional content. Once content becomes a larger priority for them, the quality will also get better. Right now it is not their primary concern. You may disagree with the approach, but now that is just a subjective opinion at best.

They do not "hype" anything. They tell us what they are about to do. They have not stated "this will be awesome!". Quite the opposite in-fact. They state things how they are. This is smoke and mirrors and far as I am concerned, and I have not received any statement from the developers that would lead me to believe something else. You hype yourself by thinking they can somehow make a miracle happen in a month, or because you think they focus on your selfish needs while in fact they do not, and then expect an apology for that. They have decided that getting the core features on-par is more important than making sure the content is of high quality for the time being. Deal with it.

[Mega]

A thread complaining about complainers, never seen this before on the internetz.

[Abriael]

A thread complaining about complainers, never seen this before on the internetz.

It's actually a quite nice thread that encourages constructive behavioir. There should be more of those on the internetz.

[Spellbinder]

A thread complaining about complainers, never seen this before on the internetz.

Is it wrong to ask for a bit of civility and constructive feedback for the developers?