Yoshi-p says: "Button pressing is stressful." ....

[Rylock]

Let's make it realistic Fish were caught much too often. Perhaps the wait time should be significantly increased therefore you still have to be there. No I'm not being serious.

My final opinion on subject until more information is released is that it seems like the people most upset by this are dedicated fishers which were also happy for active interaction during fishing. These are the ones that deserve the most credit to their opinions because they are the most affected. Therefore I will put my support with those people and if I get into beta forums (hopefully soon) then I would support feedback from long term fishers.

My favorite thing is mining in most games. I'd sure hate them to mess that up even though there are plenty of bots to be dealt with there as well. "Now mining will be based on achievements such as 'you found extra rare gold ore' and now you get an achievement for mining in all areas. Mining will now require no player interaction and ore will no longer be of an interest to bots or a way to make gil! Just click 'mine' and your character will run about to the nearest nodes even as you go to work.

So count me in on the fishing should require an active role. If they want to make a "non-stressful" activity then create something entirely new. Although I would not have ever labeled fishing as stressful.

Know what, earlier you said something about "afk vs active fishing" and it didnt even seem half bad, because thats kinda what fishing in real life is. You can be as active as you want, jigging your lure, casting as often as you want, or you can just sit in your boat with your tackle over the side and drink beer. One is likely to get you more fish, but the other is still a good way to kill time. But here's the kicker: the second one requires the players input to achieve those better results. That's what I want most in this game, player agency that influences success.

During the downtime I went and played some LotRO (hey, its free to play and I know some people who play it, why not), and the differences between how the non-combat classes in that are handled, and how they were handled in 1.0 were stark. Gathering was just walking up to a node, hitting a button, and receiving an item. Crafting was just queuing up some synths, and then going and getting a sandwich while your little dude pounded out some ingots. So I didnt craft much.

I'm still hoping this is a messaging issue, and that there is some system coming which is interesting, relaxing, and fun to do. That every time Yoshi speaks about fishing he is focusing on the stuff he deems important, but there is still *something* there for the fishers to do, because why would there not be? Out of all the non-combat stuff, fishing lends itself the most to some sort of fun little activity. There are ways to make an activity that fit within what he has described that is fun, but he has not explicitly said or shown anything about where the "fun" will be. Which is concerning. And the fact that we will see nothing of it until the final phase is concerning as well, since beta is the time for tuning these systems. Botany has been changed a bit in every phase so far, and while I haven't had a chance to try it in Phase 3 it seems they have addressed at least one aspect that I felt unfun. Will there be time for similar tuning to fishing?

I'm not a fisher by trade, but I do feel for my gathering brothers and sisters, I want the best for them and it doesnt feel like they are getting it.

[Hanzzo_Kai]

I didn't read much into the quote, so I'll take it on faith:

I just think it's kind of ironic how he thinks "button pressing is stressful."
Fishing is too stressful, take out the button pressing!
Battle is boring, add in the button pressing!

Most people spend more time battling and pressing buttons, but that isn't stressful and fishing was? I'm just confused.

[TenraiNagi]

I hope fishing in ARR is like fishing in Animal Crossing. That's the only game I actually enjoyed fishing in and got really addicted.

Whatever Yoshi-P said in ALL the interviews is extremely vague, and I can interpret what he meant in 500 gazillion ways. It's like saying "Arcanist will have an interesting play style.".

If I had to press the same button 10 times to catch one fish then yes it is stressful, more like madness. But if it was 2-3 clicks then not really. "Button pressing is stressful" and "Fishing should be relaxing" are vague sentences that don't mean anything.

[Vivik]

I can't wait to fish and watch netflix. Very relaxing.

Still not sure why you keep trying to talk to me.. Just in case you didn't know. You shouldn't..
Again you come in with only one intent. To start shit..
Do yourself a favor little blonde boy who wants to look like his character..
find another little blonde boy who wants to look like his character and make friends.. mkay..

...and lol at the keyboard tough guy.

[Kenjisan]

Seems fisher botters are pretty angry. Fish bots were all i saw in 1.0 anyways

[LlenCoram]

Seems fisher botters are pretty angry. Fish bots were all i saw in 1.0 anyways

Obviously never ran into me then. I made it a point to talk to everyone passing by.

[Reinheart]

Fishing game that's more than just dropping a line and waiting... just a little bit more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgqJpkbv2A

Favorite fishing game during my child hood for Famicom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3mlqc4qs8Y
Tsurikichi Sanpei, all you do is choose bait, wait, and left/right to control and B/A to bring in the fish, it was damn fun... still fun...

EDIT: ooh nice they got FFXIV ad on youtube now lol

[strallaalaa]

i'm sorry but nothing beat fishing in ffxi, i've yet to see a mmo where there is 20-100 players in every lake, river, pond and sea fishing together. the chat log filled with people joking and laughing together while they fished. while during that time they didn't implement the tug and press thing in ffxi it was a great feeling fishing around people. yoshi is trying to create some kinda useless thing out of fishing cause of stress? that is bullshit, then they would of done the same for all gathering. doing it for the rmt? like he said they will find a way, remove it's worth in doing it? then you just removed the reason any one would fish in a mmo and chat and relax in the first place. the reason people were all gathered together are simple, it was worth fishing in ffxi so they did it, it was worth standing around chatting even if you didn't fish cause you can sell your fish pastes and lures to people while crafting too. they are removing all good, fun aspects of gathering for bad reasons. and then there next mmo they will remove it completly. why you ask? cause yoshi will be like, well no one was enjoying it so we took it out. no no they stoped enjoying it cause your trying to force feed your bullshit to us. but hey maybe getting quests from it will be good ...when they add it, if it's worth it. maybe it will drive tons of people to fish together in the same waters together. i know in ffxiv it was usually empty zones or botters only. it was bad knowing that there was a bot not even paying attention while you fished your ass off. that is the only part that is not relaxing of it that all your fish are worthless ....but making them totally worthless ain't gonna make it any funner. i would love to have those days of fishing around 100's in windhurst and sandoria all day long, or in rabao, and yeah probably was cause the gil thing, i didn't know about it back then cause was my first mmo and i was a noob but lol, it was a great experience. fishing and filling up my bazaar with pastes to sell at the same time, talking to people i never met b4 for hours. good times they aren't implementing correctly for it too happen. your just making it less stressful for the botters to know when to get up and leave when the one dude fishing without a bot pulls up to an empty lake to talk to him lol.

[GinTama]

"We’re going to make sure that the stuff you get from fishing is not stuff that is going to be lucrative for RMT. The system needs to be relaxing."

I am more worried about this than simplifying the mechanics, why would Yoshi do this? Be cause of RMT? That makes no sense. If its not worth to fish for RMT its normally not worth for normal players either. Its a gathering class god damnit, why the hell did i spent so much time leveling up my fisher to 50? this is unacceptable.

[Huh]

"We’re going to make sure that the stuff you get from fishing is not stuff that is going to be lucrative for RMT. The system needs to be relaxing."

I am more worried about this than simplifying the mechanics, why would Yoshi do this? Be cause of RMT? That makes no sense. If its not worth to fish for RMT its normally not worth for normal players either. Its a gathering class god damnit, why the hell did i spent so much time leveling up my fisher to 50? this is unacceptable.

Yeah and what sucks is there is no need to devalue the class for RMT sake. I've seen tons of anti-RMT practices in other MMOs that don't impose on regular players. For example, Captchas. Have an NPC run up to you and hand you a scroll to read at random intervals. If you type it in wrong or take too long you get booted to the lobby. Infuse it with the lore of the world or give it a tiny exp reward for each correct input and it won't just seem like an annoying RMT pop up. Obviously thats just one little example. We have an entire team of developers. They have to be able to think of something other than making fish worthless.