Yoshi-p says: "Button pressing is stressful." ....

[Huh]

Responding to OP: most people didnt even play or try that hard to level fisher allot got to the 30ish mark and slowed down,

so i prefer the way Yoshi-P is going to make it , and yes if youre a level 50 fisher youll only be fishing for maps or to pass time, or to get fish, instead of it feeling like its too much of a hassle, just my personal opinion

Why is it that you think most people didn't bother with fishing after a certain extent?
I played fishing from 1.0 alpha all the way till the end of 1.0 and there were certainly a lot of changes. Fishing was very difficult at first, especially with the shitty system and no tutorials/knowledge base to reference. So many people would give up within the first few lost fish. I'll admit it was very frustrating.
Eventually things got better and more information was known and a few more tweaks were given to the system and we knew: you need decent gear, the right bait, and to jig within a certain amount of time on the right depth. Even then you'd seem to lose fish randomly for no reason.
To me this uncertainty in obtaining fish, the slow nature of catching fish, and the tediousness of it is what caused players to give up on it.

Now there are many ways to go about remedying these problems and making fishing better. More player input, clearer mechanics, a more engaging way to catch fish, the ideas are endless.

Now please tell me how now changing the system into an stand here and go afk with the right bait and catch fish will make fishing anymore attractive to players who didn't like the original system..?

[indira]

i rather just go to some water then fish without all the button presses and massive time sink fishing is just for 1.

dont go with the RMT scapegoat a good number of people are helping RMT, there buying gil other wise they would never support this game. tell your buddys to quit buying gil and they'll go if there no profit.
there was people who just start the game and are there buying stuff that cost millions of gil, tell me they aint supporting RMT and they say they bought it so its not there buddys helping them.

[Duuude007]

I love how you interpreted so much about how terrible fishing is going to be, and yet you don't know the mechanics (other than weather rod and tackle affect fish), and you have never seen footage.

What could you possibly conclude based on one sentence other than the number of button presses is reduced?

Look at p3 and tell me that they dont care about feedback for stuff in game.

Then wait for it to be ingame, so that proper feedback can be made, rather than inept feedforward.

[Jonnykit]

what up duuude! I know this aint really the place but I haven't been able to get in touch with anyone from SF. Was wondering if you guys are gonna stay on Durandal or not. Like to rejoin you guys if at all possible.

[Ricky]

He is saying fishing should be relaxing and not a twitch reaction type thing, it isn't nice to try to make him look bad when he isn't saying exactly what you quote

[Duuude007]

what up duuude! I know this aint really the place but I haven't been able to get in touch with anyone from SF. Was wondering if you guys are gonna stay on Durandal or not. Like to rejoin you guys if at all possible.

Hey bud, register on xivpads, and ill be able to send you a private message there.

[HiirNoivl]

In the new Famitsu interview, it looks like he wants fishing to be a roleplay/explorer's job where you're encouraged to explore and fish in interesting places.

Fishing spots won't be limited to water, you can catch fish in clouds (There is a floating city....) or in quicksand.

Translation by Reinheart:

――漁師がほかのギャザラーやクラフターのように他のプレイヤーの役に立つ仕様は考えられているのでしょうか？
吉田　『旧FFXIV』 ではレシピに入っていたんですよね。鎧の一部に魚の皮が必要だとか。ゲームには凹凸があっていいと思うんです。ゲームを作るときにどうしても陥りやいの が、「このクラスにこれができるのだから、このクラスにもできたほうがいいよね」、という“平均化”なんです。じつはそれは全部いっしょになってしまうと てもつまらないことなのに、それをやらせるために設定でいびつなことをしていたり、いびつなアイテム構造にすると、迷惑をこうむるのはけっきょくプレイ ヤーなんです。その不自然さをゲームの根幹にはしたくなくて、だからβテストフェーズ3でも、漁師を公開していないのは、あくまで釣りのロールプレイをし たい人が楽しめばいい職業で、平均化を求めているのなら、そういうクラスではないですと今回説明していくつもりです。エオルゼアの自然を楽しんでもらう職 業。その代わり釣竿、エサ、仕掛けを選んだり、水質のタイプを考えたり。ギリギリまでオーケーするか迷っていましたが、雲海に釣り糸を垂らすと、雲に住ん でいる魚が釣れます。あとは流砂で釣れたり。僕は最初NGだと言っていたのですが、どうしてもやらせてほしい、水だけだと狭くなるので、ファンタジーなの だからと強く推されました（笑）。説得力がちゃんと出せるならいいと、いま担当が必死にデータを作っているところです。がんばれ！という感じで生暖かく見 ています。

For Fisher are you thinking of a way to make them useful for other players like other Gatherer/Crafter classes?

Yoshida: In previous FFXIV they were used in recipes. Like requiring fish scales for a part of armor. As a game it's good to have it but when making a game it's easy to fall into making all classes the same "This class can do this so this class should be able to do the same". This balancing, making all of them the same would be boring, and to make something more complicated (more parts) would cause inconvenience to the players. I don't want to put in the games foundation where it forces player to do stuff (make it more complicated).

That is why we haven't released Fisher in beta test phase 3, Fisher is a class where people really want to enjoy roleplay fishing, but at same time you'll need to choose the fishing rod, bait, setup, and think about the types of water, I was really undecided till the end but if you drop a line in cloud of sea you will be able to fish living in the clouds. Also fishing in quicksand. At first I said it's No Go but they really wanted to do it, they said just being water will make it too small (scale), they pushed saying this is Fantasy (laugh). So I told them if they can make it very persuasive then it's OK, the person in charge is working hard at making the data. I'm cheering them on!

The basic message is that players are used to having gathering classes in the markets, making their gathering have to do somehow with making items. But Yoshi wanted to simplify crafting as well as gathering and having a 3rd gather class contribute more ingredients to the mix would make people have to gather more items and make recipes longer.

So he made Fisher more of an exploring and collecting class. He didn't postpone Fisher in Phase 3 because he doesn't care about it. He postponed it in Phase 3 so you would be able to enjoy the class fully. To give time for all the extras to be implemented. The team working on fisher is thinking of things that even Yoshi didn't think of, they seem really enthusiastic. Now I'm more curious than ever. What kind of "bait fish" will help you summon "Bigger Fish" What sort of rod would you need to do "Cloud fishing"?

Will the type of clouds influence your catch?

With the whole world of Eorzea playable coming Phase 4, with Phase 4 data being carried over into launch, you can see why it would be better to delay fishing at this time. Fishing is not a consumable class like BTN and MIN.

[Mjollnir]

Fishing in clouds? Fishing in the sand? This is sounding more and more awesome!

Cheer up Llen, you grumpy cat. Sounds like your Luminary Rod might be required to catch yourself a Bahamut!

[Alaltus]

I have to say... Fishing from the clouds?



Very Final Fantasy =P

[Efrye]

I don't quite see yet how this is awesome or exciting in any shape or form. If we're lucky, we might get to see an actual 3D model of our catch, but apart from that it's just a name on some kind of achievement list.

The actual "gameplay" aspect sounds kinda pointless to me as well. How many people are really going to spend time and money experimenting with different rods and bait, rather than just looking up what they need on the web?

Of course he might be holding back information, such as being able to put your catch inside a tank and display it in your house. (That'd have a somewhat high development cost attached to it though, so I doubt it.) But either way, there is apparently little to no practical use to it, nor does it sound like an entertaining activity to me personally. Lucky for me I don't care too much about fishing anymore, even thought (or maybe because) I spent days getting it to 50 in 1.x.