Concern about "Branching Classes"

[Miliant]

Each job is just a specialized version of the class. There's nothing wrong with a new job being released and you being Lv50, you just need to learn to use 5 skills that will tilt the class's specialization one way or the other.

You're thinking jobs as jobs. In this game jobs are just a way to play your class. No job changes any class fundamentally to the point it's unrecognizable. I don't see why they should be separate exp bars.

[Miliant]

Well this does bring about a thought I had, purely for the sake of speculation and idea tossing around.

What Classes could branch into what Jobs.

Red Mage could probably come from Gladiator, if it could get abilities from both WHM and BLM.
Berserker could stem from both Marauder or Pugilist, as they are known to use both axes and fists. I would probably put berserker on Pug so that we can get some kind of Dark Knight or Greatsword job from Marauder.
Ranger could come from Archer.

In the future, a Scout job could branch into Assassin and Thief, and something like a Parivir class could branch into Samurai and Ninja.

[gahoo]

We got our answer on this one and added to the end of our interview. Basically it all stays linked (as some have speculated).

[Ruethryl]

We got our answer on this one and added to the end of our interview. Basically it all stays linked (as some have speculated).

I have no problem with this. Thanks for the info! ^^

[Huh]

One of my concerns is what happens after the level 50 cap gets raised? Do classes still get new abilities or only the jobs?
I just don't see how there can be such diversity between splitting classes like Summoner and Scholar in the difference of what, 5 abilities when all the other base abilities are still there? Do jobs still get Carbuncle? I don't see why they wouldn't if the base class could.

[Ruethryl]

One of my concerns is what happens after the level 50 cap gets raised? Do classes still get new abilities or only the jobs?
I just don't see how there can be such diversity between splitting classes like Summoner and Scholar in the difference of what, 5 abilities when all the other base abilities are still there? Do jobs still get Carbuncle? I don't see why they wouldn't if the base class could.

They've already said you lose carbuncle when you're on the job.. first case I can think of where you will lose (some) class abilities when you have the soul/job crystal equipped.

I think at this point we're just wildly speculating until we can actually try it out.. it'll give some in-sight into how future branch jobs may work though.

[Alhanelem]

Concern about "Branching Classes"

Ok, I love this game. But there is an issue that I have been reminded of by an ls mate that concerned me the moment that we learned that Scholar was a job.

The fact that one class is a..."trunk", of several job "branches"...if you know what I mean. I.E. If you level up anarchist...then summoner and scholar will level up as well. If they plan to do this with every job, then when they finally do release new jobs, then after you do the unlocking quest...that job is automatically at the same level as the class you have for it...which would more than likely be maxed out already. And you'd be given all these new abilities that you would have little understanding of.

This might dramatically cut out game content, and learning the new jobs.

This won't dramatically cut anything. The job system was designed from the beginning to be an extension of the class system. Thus, the game quantity of game content is based around the classes, not the jobs. You may be the same level in both jobs, but you have to choose between them. Both have Arcanist's core ability set, but one shifts the class towards offense, the other shifts it toward support.

Why would you think there will be "less content" in the game because two jobs are based on the same class? It's a stretch to call grinding "content." After the first time you level up to max, you're more or less just repeating the same task for the other classes. That's not more content, it's the same content repeated.

Many people who see this game from an outside standpoint see it like this:

Why can't 2 gladiators with the exact same equipment, be functionally different?

This caters to that.

This is kind of how I see it. In a way its a bit like the talent trees WoW (used to?) have. the same character with the same gear can play different roles depending on which path you choose - except that this system grants more freedom to change that when you want to.

I'm really tired of all the "concern" and "worry' on these boards. Why can't people look at the bigger picture rather than being concerned or worried about every little thing. Don't we all have bigger things to "worry" about than a video game?

[Limecat]

They've already said you lose carbuncle when you're on the job.. first case I can think of where you will lose (some) class abilities when you have the soul/job crystal equipped.

I don't know that I'd really look at it as losing an ability. More like there's just one summon ability, and you call out the specialized pet for your current job/class when you use it.

[Cuervo]

Do we have any information regarding whether they are doing away with having to have two class requirements to unlock a job?

If not, I think Arcanist + Conjurer = Scholar and Arcanist + Thaumaturge = Summoner... wouldn't that do away with the concerns of having two jobs available immediately upon lvl 30 of one class, in addition to also having to obtain separate souls (+ abilities) for these jobs?

[MartaDemireux]

I don't know that I'd really look at it as losing an ability. More like there's just one summon ability, and you call out the specialized pet for your current job/class when you use it.

Nah it's losing it. SMN gets access to Titan, Ramuh, Garuda and Ifrit confirmed so far (and I think Leviathan?). So it's not just a one button summoning ability based on class. Like I said in another thread:

They just have to restrict the class ability from the job. In the current beta build every ability has listed what class and what job can use it. It's how people found out that jobs like BLM and WHM won't be using the same abilities as before (BLM now gets ARC + a mystery class, likely ACN, WHM gets THM + a mystery class, likely ACN).

Do we have any information regarding whether they are doing away with having to have two class requirements to unlock a job?

If not, I think Arcanist + Conjurer = Scholar and Arcanist + Thaumaturge = Summoner... wouldn't that do away with the concerns of having two jobs available immediately upon lvl 30 of one class, in addition to also having to obtain separate souls (+ abilities) for these jobs?

It was always needing one more class for the job. As the job you get access to 2 other class's abilities. Example: WHM required in 1.0 to have CNJ 30 + GLA 15 but could also use abilities from PGL.