The Masked Mage

[NoloeTazier]

Okay so because I want to be crazy and propose weird theories about who Masked Mage is, I will give you these two images:



OR



And yes, neither one of these makes sense, which is PRECISELY why I suspect it the most! Yes, Derplander has been hiding secrets from us!!!! Nevermind the fact that Derplander is a representation of us...and doesn't appear in the game itself...or...well all those logical incongruities ASIDE!

Ahem.

OR IT IS ALFINO/ALPHINAUD! Come on, people. He looks way too innocent! And look at his lips! THEY ARE TOTALLY THE SAME LIPS as this dude:



Did anyone else notice that there are two Alfino/Alphinauds?? I think one of them is a female, though. Sister? An evil sister, clearly, equally fond of creepy masks! YES! I have uncovered it all!!!

MAKE WAY, Anonymoose and Catapult (and those other loremongers I can never remember), I am moving in on ya territory, ya awful ahrimans, ya!!! DESTROYING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE AT DA SAME TIME, TU! YO! BETTA RECOGNIZE!

Siren.

On a serious note, I'm probably complete wrong with this theory as of Phase 3, but I wanted to say it before but I forgot. The 2 new Elezen teens/whatever are probably Archons, representing the Twins Nald and Thal. After all they share similar characteristics to the Archons from 1.0. They arrive with us (sure it's in an Echo) on our voyage to the city-state we chose. If Louisoix is Thaliak, Ahldbhar is Rhalgr, the Twins being Nald and Thal...then yeah. That's as far as I got with labeling the rest of the Circle of Knowing Archons.

[Molic]

Siren.

On a serious note, I'm probably complete wrong with this theory as of Phase 3, but I wanted to say it before but I forgot. The 2 new Elezen teens/whatever are probably Archons, representing the Twins Nald and Thal. After all they share similar characteristics to the Archons from 1.0. They arrive with us (sure it's in an Echo) on our voyage to the city-state we chose. If Louisoix is Thaliak, Ahldbhar is Rhalgr, the Twins being Nald and Thal...then yeah. That's as far as I got with labeling the rest of the Circle of Knowing Archons.

I did not see this anywhere in the thread but: Who the twins are: Highlight below:

They are the grandchildern of Louisoix

[Catapult]

Totally not far enough through the beta quests to be commenting on this.

But I still think the idea of Archons = Incarnated Twelve is crack.

[NoloeTazier]

Totally not far enough through the beta quests to be commenting on this.

But I still think the idea of Archons = Incarnated Twelve is crack.

They may not be reincarnated Twelve, but they do "represent" them. Thaliak and Louisoix, Ahldbhar is second hand information but he's said to represent Rhalgr. Whether the representation is because they believe they're the reincarnated forms or it's for symbolic reference...I'm for the symbolic reference. After all the whole "we're here from a city in the north west, we're really smart and want to help everyone" just doesn't come off the same as "/pose I am Thaliak here for your women, oh yes and to save you all from being destroyed cough cough yes."

[Hestern_Nestern]

Oh...that...that makes a lot more sense than my theory. Ahem.

Hey...if every primal is summoned by a certain group or what-have-you, does that mean that someone summoned Odin? Is it established in the canon that someone has to summon the primal first in order for them to come to Hydaelyn or have there been instances where a primal comes unbidden to this world?

[NoloeTazier]

Oh...that...that makes a lot more sense than my theory. Ahem.

Hey...if every primal is summoned by a certain group or what-have-you, does that mean that someone summoned Odin? Is it established in the canon that someone has to summon the primal first in order for them to come to Hydaelyn or have there been instances where a primal comes unbidden to this world?

I think with the term Elder Primal applied to Odin and Bahamut they don't necessarily need to be summoned into the world like the regular Primals. The Primals are summoned with crystals and when defeated turn back into aether. We don't know what happens with Elder Primals, after all the most technologically advance civilization could only 'defeat' Bahamut by sealing him away and sending him into orbit so he could not draw on the aether of the land.

But chances are Bahamut and Odin have been "summoned" into Eorzea at least once and are still around.

[Anonymoose]

Hey...if every primal is summoned by a certain group or what-have-you, does that mean that someone summoned Odin? Is it established in the canon that someone has to summon the primal first in order for them to come to Hydaelyn or have there been instances where a primal comes unbidden to this world?

The NA website says, "There are none now alive who know the truth of when or by whom this elder primal was first summoned into the world," so I would say it's confirmed that Odin was summoned long ago. I get the impression from the story so far that the beast tribes in Eorzea are being used to summon primals. So who was used on the continent of Othard?

The Empire first encountered primals in the east - so how did those get there? That we have no confirmation on. Perhaps they came unbidden to the world. Perhaps there were beastmen. Perhaps there are wandering races over there. Perhaps the only reason they used the beast tribes in Eorzea was to spark the war between the Wandering races, beast tribes, and Empire and the ascians just summoned them personally on Othard. Who knows? Totally open.

[Hanzzo_Kai]

Is it confirmed somewhere that the set of twins from the Clan of Dawn are the same in each opening? I was thinking that there are a bunch of members and the Alfino/Alphinaud character may be their leader?

[Kinseykinz]

Is it confirmed somewhere that the set of twins from the Clan of Dawn are the same in each opening? I was thinking that there are a bunch of members and the Alfino/Alphinaud character may be their leader?

They are the same regardless of starting city....keep in mind, they are part of YOUR, the adventurer's story. All the main storyline missions work this way and are 'the same' no matter what city you start in. The only difference is 'local flavor'.

[Kinseykinz]

If you get far enough in the storyline, it's beyond obvious the twins are the 'grandchildren' of a very special 1.0 friend. But there are far too many spoilers in this atm to discuss it further.