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    @Kaiyoko: the big money in MMORPG isn't made with the few hardcores, but with the many casuals (and casuals love little cosmetic items).

    Your view is skewed by the fact that you're considering your linkshell as a valid statistical pool. It isn't. Your linkshell is made by people that stuck with the game to its end, which means they are the hardcorest of the hardcorer, and not only they are a negligible percentage compared to the full population of those that will have a chance to come back and try out A Realm Reborn, but they also don't represent the average attitude.

    Most of the 800,000 people that bought the game initially and then quit don't exactly share the same unabated enthusiasm towards FFXIV, so they won't be nearly as willing to purchase a whole new copy when their trust in the game still has to be restored (which is the whole reason why SE is giving them the game for free).

    Those 5 people in your linkshell, even multiplied by all the linkshells that were left at the end of 1.0 aren't exactly statistically relevant compared to that.

    And you're not even considering the fact that preorders can be canceled, leaving square enix with nothing at all. If you preorder a game at a third party retalier and then you cancel the preorder, the publisher gets nothing at all.

    On top of that those that ordered the collector's edition should not be counted, as they obviously do it for the physical items (which are definitely very compelling, it's a very good CE). If they just wanted the preorder bonuses they wouldn't get a CE, but a standard edition would give them the same result.

    Those would still get the CE even if this kind of service was to be offered.

    It's exactly because SE is a business that they should do this. Counting on people to repurchase what they already have in large numbers isn't exactly a sound business practice (on top of the fact that it sends a very counterproductive message, as offering a perk and then trying to encourage people not to take advantage of it, by purchasing anyway what they'd get for free isn't a marketing message one normally wants to pass).

    Sure, some people in your linkshell may be willing to repurchase it, but people in any linkshell that was left at the end of the game are a drop in the sea of the overall userbase.

    Also remember that there's a very relevant element that most people here forget:

    By selling a 30 bucks game, Square Enix doesn't gain 30 bucks. You need to take all the printing fees, material costs, distribution fees and the retailer cut off that. It's a miracle if SE gets 10 bucks of net gain per copy from the whole process (probably less, actually).

    On the other end, selling only the bonuses for 5-10 bucks means that almost all that money is a net gain, as all you have to subtract from it is the implementation cost for the system to sell the upgrade, which is negligible because they are already making a similar one for the collector's edition upgrade, and this system can simply be added to that.

    So it's very likely that the net gain per unit sold would be nearly equivalent or even equivalent with this system, and I'm quite sure no one'll argue that this system would not sell a lot more units than duplicate preorders.
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    I have a feeling the pre-order items will become available for purchase sometime in the future. Though it may take a few months because SE wants to optimize pre-order numbers. $10 sounds very reasonable for Cait Sith and the Mog Cap after launch. Right now SE is providing us with a way to show our support and get some cool items. Which I'm ok with. (Insert "Shut up and take my money!")

    I own the 1.0 Collector's but pre-ordered the PS3 Collector's from SE yesterday for the physical items, the pre-order items, to have FFXIV ready for the PS4, and to thank Square Enix. Yoshida and the team have worked their asses off to make ARR an MMO deserving of the name "Final Fantasy." Square Enix is hoping we'll take the opportunity to show them some love by upgrading to Digital Collector's or picking up a new copy.

    Pre-order from the SE store, give them your money instead of a third party. SE will give you a code for early access, you'll probably be leveling Arcanist before your physical copy shows up in the mail. They'll take care of us. They're coming through on their promises.

    Most of us that read these threads have followed ARR for quite a while. All of you likely played more than I did. I didn't come back until the final month. But I signed up for my vacation days this morning, I'm psyched about ARR. I think y'all are too.

    I hope Yoshi-P gets to brag about pre-order numbers at E3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castius View Post
    I have a feeling the pre-order items will become available for purchase sometime in the future. Though it may take a few months because SE wants to optimize pre-order numbers. $10 sounds very reasonable for Cait Sith and the Mog Cap after launch. Right now SE is providing us with a way to show our support and get some cool items. Which I'm ok with. (Insert "Shut up and take my money!")
    I doubt this is the case, if nearly a decade of FFXI is any indication. Once promotional items are gone, there is virtually no chance of scoring that same item, barring the release of a "different" item that shares the same model. I think the P2p subscription model strongly discourages the formation of "cash shop" content, which is pretty much what this thread has been asking for.
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    SE please allow us to pre-order the digital upgrade (and get the pre-order bonuses along with it)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razzle View Post
    SE please allow us to pre-order the digital upgrade (and get the pre-order bonuses along with it)!
    This wouldn't really be sufficient, as it would exclude those that got the 1.0 CE in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    This wouldn't really be sufficient, as it would exclude those that got the 1.0 CE in the first place.
    Of course I rather they allow us to buy pre-order status (or whatever name you choose to pick for it lol) but since the digital upgrade is an already exsisting product, they could just let us pre-order it like the rest of the products, thought It'd help if I pointed it out that way.

    I want that mog cap ( ' ^ '
    I'm Legacy too but I got the 1.0 standard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razzle View Post
    Of course I rather they allow us to buy pre-order status (or whatever name you choose to pick for it lol) but since the digital upgrade is an already exsisting product, they could just let us pre-order it like the rest of the products, thought It'd help if I pointed it out that way.

    I want that mog cap ( ' ^ '
    I'm Legacy too but I got the 1.0 standard
    Sadly to be able to ge tthe digi upgrade we have to wait til release

    We'd still be having to pay less if we paid 2 different fees^^; it's say... $20 for the CE upgrade, then maybe $10 for the pre-order upgrade bonues (If they implemented this) would be $30 total. That doesn't sound too harsh for those that want just the fluff items and no codes.

    Personally I don't think early access codes should be given with the 'upgrade' but that's just me^^;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Sadly to be able to ge tthe digi upgrade we have to wait til release

    We'd still be having to pay less if we paid 2 different fees^^; it's say... $20 for the CE upgrade, then maybe $10 for the pre-order upgrade bonues (If they implemented this) would be $30 total. That doesn't sound too harsh for those that want just the fluff items and no codes.

    Personally I don't think early access codes should be given with the 'upgrade' but that's just me^^;
    they should make it 30 and give us all items i don't think we care about early access just the item themself. There people out there that just want every item they give out and willing to pay big money for it.

    I myself going to upgrade to CE and love for a way to get the pre-order items if there not then w/e not going to bug me much i still have load of other stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    Sadly to be able to ge tthe digi upgrade we have to wait til release
    Well that's why I ask for pre-order and not only normal order option XP (which is what they do plan to give us)
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    I had the 1.0 CE and Legacy, but I already pre-ordered the ARR CE cuz I want the actual physical stuff that comes with it. The only downside I see to the system is that I've just taken away an early access code from someone who might actually need it.
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