Scholar... SAY WHUT?

[Vilhem]

Promotional concept pieces vary (just look at Yoshitaka Amano's art for past Final Fantasies, they don't EXACTLY line up with how things are seen ingame now, do they?)

To want scholar ingame is one thing, to fool yourself into thinking its there because of said desire is...well >.>a

People need to let go of Ferne's comments as being some kind of hint lol. It was such obvious troll.

[hideka]

ok then riddle me this, why does the SMN concept match up nearly perfectly to the "Job wheel" photo. while the job that everyone is saying isnt scholar on the job wheel, doesn't resemble the concept artwork for arcanist in the slightest. (besides the smile)

[Vilhem]

Perhaps because the first one (where she's sitting with Carbuncle) was done awhile back, around the time summoner/arcanist was just announced, and the "job wheel" pic is more recent, showcasing the new jobs AND the new class that's coming.

Notice how the color schemes between summoner and the elezen in question are similar? It wouldn't look as good, imo, if they just threw in the old elezen pic with the white robe into that pic, as the clothing she's in is pretty bland compared to the pizazz of the clothes she's wearing in the "job wheel" pic.

All promotional stuff..you know, artistic license and all.

[Pwnagraphic]

It's okay to wonder or hope. It's pretty blatant and we don't know for sure so I don't see why everyone is positive of what it is or isn't in that picture. It's a concept of all the JOBS available and people keep calling it an Arcanist which is a class anyway.

[Klive]

If I had to place a bet, I would put my money on scholar being a new job coming.

My thoughts:
-Yoshi said he wanted the direction on classes having more than one job.
-Yoshi said we are putting iconic jobs and gear set that should be readily identifiable.
-Why put a gear set (clone it from XI) on a cover that a large portion of the player base would see a scholar and not have it be a scholar?
-The game currently has a single healing job and could use another. Scholars in previous FF were healer/DPS
-SE loves to tease content/jobs being released.
-Summoner was announced AFTER the player base stumbled on an error on the web site.
-Even the developer blog is bring attention to the "scholar" character
-I showed my wife, who never played a FF before ff14, that "job wheel" picture and her reaction was, "Cool, looks like we are getting another job... is she wear a graduate or scholar cap... is there a FF job that wears those in another FF?"


To me, if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck...

if it isn't SE just trolled A LOT of players with "Hey everyone, look at this thing that looks exactly like the scholar from FFXI!"

To then respond to that with, "Oh that, that is just the arcanist that we announced earlier... sorry to make you think we had something new."

[Pwnagraphic]

If I had to place a bet, I would put my money on scholar being a new job coming.

My thoughts:
-Yoshi said he wanted the direction on classes having more than one job.
-Yoshi said we are putting iconic jobs and gear set that should be readily identifiable.
-Why put a gear set (clone it from XI) on a cover that a large portion of the player base would see a scholar and not have it be a scholar?
-The game currently has a single healing job and could use another. Scholars in previous FF were healer/DPS
-SE loves to tease content/jobs being released.
-Summoner was announced AFTER the player base stumbled on an error on the web site.
-Even the developer blog is bring attention to the "scholar" character
-I showed my wife, who never played a FF before ff14, that "job wheel" picture and her reaction was, "Cool, looks like we are getting another job... is she wear a graduate or scholar cap... is there a FF job that wears those in another FF?"


To me, if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck...

if it isn't SE just trolled A LOT of players with "Hey everyone, look at this thing that looks exactly like the scholar from FFXI!"

To then respond to that with, "Oh that, that is just the arcanist that we announced earlier... sorry to make you think we had something new."

There's a few things they draw attention to quietly or unnoticed. One I can remember off the top of my head was Foxclon mentioning how "Unique" this armor was.

Yeah it's unique.. just like the Bear PvP armor. Why did he choose to mention it over this and not the other armor?

Of course all we can do is speculate, but that's alright to do when we don't know if there's something(s) they're keeping hush hush until release or soon after.

[Kinseykinz]

Hypothetically speaking,

For those of you who think: That is totally Scholar.....if you had to create artwork for a game's release, that showed off a new Job/Class...how would you do it and include it in your design in a way that made sense? How would you illustrate a 'scholarly' class so people could say 'Oh that must be the new class?'....you know, make it unique enough that it doesn't look like 'random mage in a Vanya Robe' for example.

There is probably a reason why the 'image in question' is placed polar opposite the Summoner.

And if it IS Scholar...don't we have a lot of questions/problems with that as well? What are it's base classes? If ARN is it's base class why is ARN the first 'double-job' class? Seems odd not to role out a 'double-class' off of one of the already existing classes first right?

And the 'we need another healer' thing: well, tbh sites like ffxivpads that actually tracked player progress found that the most common party role at level 50 DOW/DOM is CNJ/WHM. So there are plenty of 'Healers' in the game...especially when a party tends to only need 1. So will we need more healing roles one day? Sure. At release? Probably not. Either way, what makes you so sure that Scholar would be a healer if it was ever released? ARN is what most peoplethink it's base would be atm and ARN isn't a Healing role.


Also, ARN/SUM is already a new mage role. So while it is true we could use more, doesn't it seem like old standards like RDM would and THF would belong in the game before SCH? I mean, sure, we need more Mages, but we also haven't had a new Melee role in over 2 years either...I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people in the community jonesing for Dark Knights, Thiefs, etc.

But going back to game mechanics and practicality:

We know ARN is the base class that unlocks Summoner...but what is it's subclass? What is the class besides that subclass that it can also pull abilities from? Are those the same subclasses you think would be needed to unlock scholar? Because if so, that probably can't happen.

Not only that...but as many of those 'going YAY! SCH!' are stating they believe ARN, to be the main... and ARN is not a Elemental or Healing Mage....even if we are really getting SCH and even if it really does stem from ARN...it is not the Scholar you think it is. So what kind of mage/abilities would she have?

'FFXI's Scholar model (healer/dd hybrid)' is not unique enough or versatile enough for this game. Because to be fair, that's more or less what 'Old School' Conjurer was before the big patch changes of 1.19ish. This game needs it's jobs to be more 'role defined' not less. FFXI Scholar can basically be 'player made' in this game already with CNJ+skills from BLM and soon ARN.


You have to remember the actual game mechanics....for a Job, you keep the base classes abilities (So in most people's minds that would be ARN)+ skills from two other classes....even, even if they let you equip skills from CNJ/BLM...you wouldn't have enough skills to be an effective 'DD' mage (on par with BLM) or an effective 'Healer' Mage on par with 'WHM'. So what party would want to rep a dedicated healer with a healer that can't do much more healing than Barcher? ....or rep a high spike damage DD Mage with a Mage that will do less damage at the expense of dot/debuff spells? Or even, why would they want to take a Scholar over a Summoner?

So with all this said, yeah, maybe that is Scholar...but if it is, what class unlocks her? And do you really think we have that class in game yet? And if we don't...well then what base class would we need to actually get a Scholar.

[Vydos]

It will most likely be a scholar. But I'm not expecting it to be ready for launch at all.

S-E has a habit of planting a seed in their games and game announcements. A minor and often cryptic glimpse of something they're working on in the future. Kingdom hearts had them in the form of secret enigmatic extra cutscenes after the credits. Trailers that show a lot but tell nothing. They're doing the same with the scholar now. Placing it there to hype us up and question it. Only to make that "seed" grow when the time is right.

Even though this one seems more obvious than some of the past teases they released.

[Fantasia]

There's a few things they draw attention to quietly or unnoticed. One I can remember off the top of my head was Foxclon mentioning how "Unique" this armor was.


Yeah it's unique.. just like the Bear PvP armor. Why did he choose to mention it over this and not the other armor?

Of course all we can do is speculate, but that's alright to do when we don't know if there's something(s) they're keeping hush hush until release or soon after.

I don't understand what you're getting at... this is THM/BLM PvP armour, we know this =/ I don't get what you're implying.

PLD = Lion
WAR = Bear
DRG = ?
MNK = "Parroty thing"
BRD = ?
BLM = Fox
WHM = Swan

[Sabaku_Usagi]

I'm surprised people haven't added this to the conversation~







EDIT: Also, isn't it strange the SMN doesn't have a book in his hand in the art?

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