Um.. summer release?

[Orophin]

I don't think it's fair to compare the betas for 1.0 and ARR.

[Amherst]

I don't think it's fair to compare the betas for 1.0 and ARR.

Comparing them is fine. They are the same game - FFXIV - though I suppose one could argue against that since ARR is an entire rebuild/reboot of 1.0 after that train wreck. Just semantics, though.

It's these silly topics that really aren't fair. Having concerns and disliking the direction ARR is taking is fine, but stating information that is flat out untrue in order to try and incite a panic is ridiculous.

[Abriael]

Comparing them is fine. They are the same game - FFXIV

That's like saying that FFXIII is the same game as FFXIII-2 to be honest.

[Solace]

Comparing them is fine. They are the same game

That's like saying that FFXIII is the same game as FFXIII-2 to be honest.

+1..


I have to wonder if he played 1.0.
I did and it was nothing like the remade product before the game went down.
Comparing ARR to 1.0 is completely off the wall imo.
Totally new dev team, new engine, new.. pretty much everything from the ground up..
That line of thought is basically like saying every MMO is the same.

[Amherst]

I have to wonder if he played 1.0.

No, the nine capped classes are all clearly a lie.

Believe it or not, it's possible to disagree with someone and not act like a condescending jackass. You should give it a shot sometime.

[Solace]

No, the nine capped classes are all clearly a lie.

Believe it or not, it's possible to disagree with someone and not act like a condescending jackass. You should give it a shot sometime.

You realize of course the game was 1.0 then went to 2.0 right?
1.0 was basically beta..
The game came out and THM was soloing Dodore..
Getting XP was actually a challenge.
I was there for that, before that.

It's was easy to get all 50's after 2.0.
That doesn't mean you were there for 1.0

Amazing how you can respond with such a level headed tone and criticize mine..
If that ain't the pot callin the kettle black.
I'm just going to back away slowly now..

[Amherst]

You realize of course the game was 1.0 then went to 2.0 right?

You do realize 2.0 still isn't out yet, right? For someone who keeps going on about how you were there for THE TIME OF YORE WHEN SURPLUS WAS ABOUND EVERYWHERE I would have thought you'd know that, but...eh. Whatever.

1.0 was basically beta..
The game came out and THM was soloing Dodore..
Getting XP was actually a challenge.
I was there for that, before that.

Objection. Relevance.

It's was easy to get all 50's after 2.0.
That doesn't mean you were there for 1.0

"After 2.0"? What are you even talking about? Also, it's pretty damn obvious I've been around. Post history, character lodestone page, and probably more I'm forgetting. If you'd have taken five seconds to actually check you'd see that, but no. You chose to immediately go "LOL WELL HE CLEARLY IS JUST SOME NEWB BECAUSE HE DISAGREES WITH ME" and criticize me over something I wrote which - I add - I even commented about how this entire argument is over nothing but semantics.

Maybe you should actually do some research before resorting to ad hominem.

Amazing how you can respond with such a level headed tone and criticize mine..
If that ain't the pot callin the kettle black.

Respect is earned, not given. I try to be nice to people but when you act like, again, a jackass, people aren't going to be kind in return. That's life.

I'm just going to back away slowly now..

Good riddance.

I've said what I want to. Don't want to derail the topic any further.

[Yrusama]

That's like saying that FFXIII is the same game as FFXIII-2 to be honest.

I'd normally agree with you, but in this case I must clarify what Amherst meant. 1.0 and ARR are comparable because ARR is a reattempt at XIV. The story might be a continuation, but ultimately it's an updated version of the same thing, whether it uses the same client or not. We keep our characters and items, though the rest changes.

Indeed it's more analogous to that 4-part .hack series released on PS2. I never did get to play past the first

[Abriael]

I'd normally agree with you, but in this case I must clarify what Amherst meant. 1.0 and ARR are comparable because ARR is a reattempt at XIV. The story might be a continuation, but ultimately it's an updated version of the same thing, whether it uses the same client or not. We keep our characters and items, though the rest changes.

Indeed it's more analogous to that 4-part .hack series released on PS2. I never did get to play past the first

Keeping the same characters doesn't make it less of a new game. It's very comparable to a sequel.

Balur's Gate 2 is not the same game as Baldur's Gate, yet you get to keep your character. Same for the Mass Effect trilogy and many others.

New engine, new client, new assets, new gameplay mechanics, new environment. It's literally and by all means and purposes a new game. It shares the setting and reuses a few models, but that's as far as it goes, and many sequels do that as well.

[Neptune]

Welcome back Neptune, I was starting to worry after you disappeared in January.

Also you do know they delayed the phase 3 beta to early June to apply the feedback from phases 1 and 2, right?

~Nyaa

Thanks. I've been reading here and there, but nothing to post about until now. I'm aware of the date for phase 3 but if you take it all in context I think it's more because they had work to do and less because they stopped in their tracks to implement feedback.

Restate: i trust better an insider then someone responding to him "Oh really? Tell me more." in a sarcastic behavor

Then you are a

Oh no, you tell us more. Do you have any evidence of what you say, or all you have is "the previews disagree with my doomsaying, so they must obviously be dishonest!"?

Evidence? Of what? That you agreed to an NDA? You already said you did. I'm not sure if you really don't understand what a contract is or if you're just too belligerent to read my post without coloring it with your own bias. I also didn't say anyone's reporting was dishonest, I said it wasn't honest, because to be honest there would have to be no NDA thus no restriction on what could be written. Do I really need to explain that to you? Surely you are capable of understanding that on your own. Also people (blind fanboys?) knocked "doomsayers" in 1.0 beta testing too. So things go without critical thinking and prebaked agendas.

So to sum up if you were a better journalist you would understand what a contract is without it being broken down for you, you would understand the effect of the NDA on your reporting, you would understand the kind of rosy scenario Square has painted for themselves with glowing (but notably restricted) press, and perhaps if you were a better person overall you would understand that I'm not doomsaying because I do enjoy the idea of the game and I posted to encourage it to be a success instead of having a rough launch.