Um.. summer release?

[Colino]

The point of discussion you are failing to grasp is whether a restriction on reporting created an overpositive effect on feedback which had a delusional effect on the dev team's perception of the game's future reception. Have you considered that?

I'm pretty sure the devs play the game themselves and don't rely on a handful of "journalists" to gauge the game's quality.

[Abriael]

I'm pretty sure the devs play the game themselves and don't rely on a handful of "journalists" to gauge the game's quality.

That's without a doubt true. They surely rely more on beta testers anyway.

[yoshikwalla]

All you guys talking about the NDA as it relates to journalism, pretending as if it doesn't have an impact: you are delusional about that. More than that, none of you seem to care because very likely you are self-interested in the game and you can't see the bigger picture. The point of discussion you are failing to grasp is whether a restriction on reporting created an overpositive effect on feedback which had a delusional effect on the dev team's perception of the game's future reception. Have you considered that? If you want to discuss it let's be sure we're discussing the right topic and not talking about E3 like someone whose mind helplessly wanders.

On the subject of E3 I'm happily looking forward to the game's reception there. I think any critical response will lead to a better game.

So you're arguing that those who don't agree with your baseless opinion are self-interested and delusional. I guess the every-man's definition of delusion is completely different than your own. But it isn't the fact that you're simply incorrect that pisses us off: It's the fact that you disregard our arguments and call them off as fanboy-induced falsehoods despite us giving you the exact opposite.

[jesseleewelch]

Yeesh, calm down everyone! No need to start a flame war or anything. This is the lodestone forum after all. On a side note, does anyone know the specific date we will be able to pre-order or the specific date the release date will be released? I think both are supposed to come out in "late May" if I recall correctly and it is already the 18th.

[Abriael]

Yeesh, calm down everyone! No need to start a flame war or anything. This is the lodestone forum after all. On a side note, does anyone know the specific date we will be able to pre-order or the specific date the release date will be released? I think both are supposed to come out in "late May" if I recall correctly and it is already the 18th.

It's not a matter of flames. It's a matter of correcting a plainly and factually false and disingenuous claim. Lies are a bad thing, so it's always a good idea to wipe them off the table when they surface.

As for your question, at the NicoNico event Yoshida said around the 20th, so it's very possible that they'll be open on monday, or near that date.

[3Jane]

Yeesh, calm down everyone! No need to start a flame war or anything. This is the lodestone forum after all.

LOL.......

[Colino]

Yeesh, calm down everyone! No need to start a flame war or anything. This is the lodestone forum after all.

Welcome to General Discussion my friend.

On a side note, does anyone know the specific date we will be able to pre-order or the specific date the release date will be released? I think both are supposed to come out in "late May" if I recall correctly and it is already the 18th.

You can probably pre-order at most game stores already. Gamestop takes pre-orders for games that don't even have release dates yet.

[Rizon]

Welcome to General Discussion my friend.



You can probably pre-order at most game stores already. Gamestop takes pre-orders for games that don't even have release dates yet.

True. Amazon has been holding my preorder for the PS3 version since Aug 2010.

[normalforce]

True. Amazon has been holding my preorder for the PS3 version since Aug 2010.

Did you have to put any money down on the preorder and do you think there's going to be much of a price difference between what it was listed as and what it'll cost now?

[Neptune]

To Abriael I realize you jumped on my comments without asking any questions to clarify your assumptions about what I meant by being under a contract. You assumed I meant that outlets had to sign some kind of contract forbidding them from writing this or that right? Like some sort of conspiracy theory? But that's not what I meant because I'm not an idiot right? If I meant that, that would be ridiculous. No, I was simply talking about the NDA and that's all. The NDA is in fact a contract and I feel like we're making readers dumber just going into the details of what I meant by that statement.

As you mentioned, your outlet in particular didn't sign any special, extra, additional contract so just in case anybody is unclear on that (I'm guessing about 0 people are) please take note.

Also I want to point out that it was my understanding that the lifting of the NDA had specific application; it was not a complete abolishment. So here's the actual statement from Reddit that I went off:

FFXIV: ARR Beta Testers Permitted to Discuss Character Creation and Gridania
During the Nico Nico Super Convention 2 that will take place on April 27 and 28 in Japan, there will be a FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Beta demo area and we will be lifting the confidentiality provisions on:
Information related to character creation
Information related to New Gridania and Old Gridania
IMPORTANT: Please note that all other information about FFXIV: ARR, as well as images, videos, and sound, will continue to be confidential in accordance with Section 2.6 of the FFXIV:ARR Beta Test Agreement. This means that, except for the above listed topics, it will still be a violation of the Beta Test Agreement to disclose information related to the features and technology of the FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Beta Test, bugs, information posted on the Beta Tester forum, and any other related information (including testers’ comments and thoughts).

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._new_gridania/

You are saying your particular outlet had more freedom than that, but it really doesn't matter since the degree of freedom has no bearing on what I posted. There's still a restriction on screenshots, for example, and maybe that's something that people would like to see when forming an impression of a beta test. Not that there's anything wrong with wanting to withhold that to make a GOOD impression later. All I'm saying is there's an effort to kind of aim impressions for LATER instead of NOW when that exact same thing was the cause of the failure of the initial launch. Square even asked magazines to wait a month to review the original RELEASE of FFXIV. Why aren't you a little concerned by that consistency?

My comments about your journalism and humanity were aimed at defending myself, since you came in here like an asshole claiming I am lying and spreading false information and making such a big deal out of my post when that's a silly sideshow at best and arguing semantics at worst. I'm not some conspiracy nut out to troll the dead board, I'm just pointing out what I think is a reasonable concern over the health of the game's planned launch. I'm concerned and I think you should be too.