FFXIV Bahamut vs. WoW Deathwing - Who Wins?

[Kavaskous]

I found this!


Still looking for the same for Bahamut! One of the many key's on Dalmund, it alone is bigger then Deathwing. If that thing fell on DW it would 1 shot kill him. There are dozen's seen in the video, yet when Bahamut stretches his wing's they seem to be from tip to tip as wide as Dalmund.

I agree completely. By a mathematical standpoint let's do some measuring.

Okay, so using so using this video as reference to in-game size you could estimate that, by referencing the distance to the ground to Deathwing is to be around 50 meters off of the ground; this can be confirmed by this article's mentioning of the tower they're in and about the view, which look about right... [Reference Image]

Now, if you compare the distance vertically to the length of his entire body, they appear to be the same give or take ten meters. Being generous and giving him 20 meters, we have one dimension down. Now for the sake of making this short and less painful, let's also consider his wingspan to be about 100 meters, and then just multiply it and ignore the empty space. Again, this is to be nice in favor of the "scary" Deathwing. Now, let's give him a thickness of say... why not, ten meters.

Okay, so we have dimensions, let's calculate volume:
70*100*10 = 70,000 m³

Let's then assign both Dragons an equal density in comparison to mass, let's use the element Pb (Lead) which has a density of 11,300 kg / m³

(11,300 kg / m³)* 70,000 m³ = 791,000,000 kg = Deathwing weighs no more than 791,000 Metric Tons.

Bahamut emerged out of a "lesser moon" - if we assume the lesser moon is roughly the size of the moon Miranda, then you can estimate the a 1m thick skin flying off in force. size-comparison picture. We can also guess his size based on this and the fact that he looks a few kilometers in length and possibly have a wingspan of several kilometers as well.

If we severly simplify Bahamut's size to say (2 km * 1 km * 1 km) which in lead would make him weigh:
(2 km³ * 1.0×10e+10) = (2,000,000,000 m³ * 11300) = 2.26e+13 =
2.26×10e+10 Metric Tons


Bahamut weighs roughly (22,600,000,000 / 791,000) = 28,571 times heavier than Deathwing and a LOT bigger - there is ZERO contest here seeing as he couds piss out a deathwing.

(3,964,776.51 km² / .001) * 1m = 3,964,776,510 m³

(3,964,776,510 m³ * 11,300kg = 4.4801975e+13 kg

Now let's consider that if Hydaelyn is nything like Earth, then the Atmosphere extends to the Kármán line which is roughly 62 miles, or close to 100,000 meters high. If Dalamud is half that distance at 50,000 meters then we have a distance to measure speed. Examining the video, you could guess that it takes roughly 3~5 seconds tops for most of the pieces in the area of Eorzea to be hit. Let's say it takes 5 seconds. Let's then take say...

a piece that is .0001% hitting Deathwing... Let's do it in Newtons then compare that to a Nuclear blast.

(50,000 m / 5 s) / (4.4801975e+13 kg * .000001) = (44801975 kg * 50,000 m / s) = 224,009,875,000 N

The the original fission bombs used in WWII only produced around 300,000 N which means .0001% of a piece of Dalamud hitting -should- technically hit with a force of 746,699 Fission Bombs. Of course this is wrong because there's still an Eorzea, so he's been dumbed down quite a bit. I also want to point out that Dalamud appears to be even smaller than Dione, and yet even if you reduce these numbers by half, the numbers are still shocking.

I might even have made some mistake, but I'm tired as shit and this is some quick calculations. Even if you significantly dumb down the numbers, you still have a power vacuum Deathwing is too feeble to even try to fill.

ALSO! The key that falls from Dalamud; if it is 500m high, 30 m wide, and 10 m thick (going low) it's volume is 150,000 m³, it's density in Titanium is 675,000,000 kg, and calculate gravity (9.78033 m/s2) you get 33,075,000 N I believe. Hm... some things not lining up with the video... This video defies Physics! Oh wait... this is Final Fantasy... Even if I fucked up, the numbers will still be hella large.

tl:tr

Bahamut is 28,000 times heavier than Deathwing in lead - and 100,000th of Dalamud hitting Deathwing could carry enough force to effectively nuke him out of existence - Discussion over.

[Aish]

Math and Physics. With a touch of Chemistry.

Calculate the mass of Dalamud before Bahamut escaped. Use this to calculate the influence Dalamud had on Eorzean tides at perigee just before Bahamut was released, using the Earth and Moon as references. Finally, calculate the average change in tidal levels around Limsa Lominsa due to Dalamud no longer orbiting Eorzea.

[Kavaskous]

Calculate the mass of Dalamud before Bahamut escaped. Use this to calculate the influence Dalamud had on Eorzean tides at perigee just before Bahamut was released, using the Earth and Moon as references. Finally, calculate the average change in tidal levels around Limsa Lominsa due to Dalamud no longer orbiting Eorzea.

I accidentally hit backspace and went back a page losing all of my hard work, so I will say this in response: The most that would have happened when Dalamud was close with Bahamut inside, is maybe make the sea level rise by a malm or two... however, now that neither are in the sky, the sea level has likely gone down by...centimeters at best =/

[Qually]

Haha great post!
Bahamut is taking it for sure, Deathwing is such a fail imo, no matter what you compare it looks like bahamut was a real challenge to put some thought in unlike Deathwing which is actually a normal dragon...

[Preypacer]

My 2-cents:
Both Deathwing's and Bahamut's appearence and destruction of the land serve more as Apocalypse events, however, in Eorzea I'd say the fast and highly violent nature attributed to Bahamut's power plus the fact that even the Gods were unable to help the people, is enough to say that Bahamut did a better job overall.

Deathwing was given two years or more to "destroy the world" and ended up just shifting things around and killing a lot of people, and most just sat around with his thumb up his ass. I also want to point out that Deathwing is a dragon smaller than Midgardsormr.

Bahamut managed to kill a significant portion of the Eorzean populace, tear up the overall majority of the land (weather through use of Dalamud as a grenade as someone eloquently put it, thousands of small energy explosions, and of course, Megaflare. Unlike Deathwing, Bahamut had maybe two minutes (from what we can tell) to get in as much damage as possible before mysteriously vanishing for yet known reasons. Also note that he's around a fourth of the size of Dalamud, which was considered a lesser moon, making him quite large. Also, unlike Deathwing, Bahamut had to be sent out into orbit to prevent his presence alone from screwing up the planet - you know, cause Primals eat Aether... that alone could kill the planet, and I don't believe Deathwing can kill anything just from being there =P

Point is, the is kinda a moot argument, but by going over the most basic information as comparison, Bahamut wins simply because he did just as much, if not more damage in a fraction of a fraction of the time that Deathwing did.

Excellent point! I'd forgotten about that part.

You know something is trouble when, even in a passive state, just its mere presence is enough to bring an eventual end to the world and life upon it.

Although, that makes me wonder if/how his draw on the Aether is being controlled while he's imprisoned (again, going on what we know about the Labyrinth)? I suppose it would have to be?

[Preypacer]

I found this!



Still looking for the same for Bahamut! One of the many key's on Dalmund, it alone is bigger then Deathwing. If that thing fell on DW it would 1 shot kill him. There are dozen's seen in the video, yet when Bahamut stretches his wing's they seem to be from tip to tip as wide as Dalmund.

Well there's this...



Even though he's behind Limsa (which would make Limsa appear larger), he's still as large as, maybe larger than, an entire city.

Deathwing would, maybe, perch on top of the central building there.

[Ikkenoe]

The readily apparent mob mentality in these forums has always made it difficult for me to understand how anyone seriously believes this community is better than any other. Anyone who can spend just a few minutes in this thread and still not see it plain as day are simply too caught up in it themselves.

It's toxic.

At this point, fusional is simply trying to justify turning a fun conversation about two fictional dragons into some sort of debate. Just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You seem unfamiliar with the definition of the word debate, or you simply want to put negative spin on it when it suits you. Either way, I urge you to look it up. I shouldn't have to post it.

What is the point of this thread if not to argue about two completely arbitrary things in relation to one another? How is it not "debate" or "arguing" when it comes to you? How are the other posters not participants in a debate, and how are they arguing for the sake of anything else but arguing? What other reason would they be arguing? Is there a prize to win that I'm unaware of?

Why try to use negative spin and inflection in response to one particular poster in spite of being guilty of all the same yourself?

I guess it's only 'just conversation' if they agree with you.

[Kallera]

The readily apparent mob mentality in these forums has always made it difficult for me to understand how anyone seriously believes this community is better than any other. Anyone who can spend just a few minutes in this thread and still not see it plain as day are simply too caught up in it themselves.

It's toxic.

Because one thread on a messageboard determines the worth of countless players in the game not in the forums and countless posters not posting in this thread.

Surely Final Fantasy is the new threat subverting our youth in America. /sarcasm.

What other baseless tone-specific judgements do you have for us?

[Kallera]

Well there's this...



Even though he's behind Limsa (which would make Limsa appear larger), he's still as large as, maybe larger than, an entire city.

Deathwing would, maybe, perch on top of the central building there.

It's LucasArts reverting to their 1970s special effects! It's a toy replica of Limsa! or a Toy Bahamut...

That'll be auctioned for a kajillion dollars.

[HiirNoivl]

The readily apparent mob mentality in these forums has always made it difficult for me to understand how anyone seriously believes this community is better than any other. Anyone who can spend just a few minutes in this thread and still not see it plain as day are simply too caught up in it themselves.

It's toxic.



You seem unfamiliar with the definition of the word debate, or you simply want to put negative spin on it when it suits you. Either way, I urge you to look it up. I shouldn't have to post it.

What is the point of this thread if not to argue about two completely arbitrary things in relation to one another? How is it not "debate" or "arguing" when it comes to you? How are the other posters not participants in a debate, and how are they arguing for the sake of anything else but arguing? What other reason would they be arguing? Is there a prize to win that I'm unaware of?

Why try to use negative spin and inflection in response to one particular poster in spite of being guilty of all the same yourself?

I guess it's only 'just conversation' if they agree with you.

Well, aren't you a ray of sunshine....