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Umbral isn't necessarily the evil to astral's good so much as the difficulty to its payoff, or the foundation below to the matters above.
I'll accept that. It reminds me of how everything in Greek mythology began with Chaos. Things started to become more structured, and the titans and gods were the manifestations of that structure. The Twelve mythos seems to emphasize that idea best.

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This probably would be overthinking at, as legend states that Yoshida-san is the one who asked to bring Dalamud down and disregard its original purpose (which may very well have been to explore it).
True. I guess I meant that the original Loremasters were not aware that Dalamud would be repurposed. It might have been a major story arc, but not on the scale we have now. I'm curious what they originally planned for it, and how it would tie in to the starshower and the echo.