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    Quote Originally Posted by Soukyuu View Post
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    And again, I'm not so concerned with anime in this topic, as of course, the shows are made in Japan with Japanese people in mind.

    I wasn't referring to you specifically in my post, but moreso those people that don't speak a lick of Japanese or don't bother to learn words past "KAWAII" or "KUSO" or "BAKA", holding the language in some high regard to appear more cultured or trying to fit into a niche or whatever. These are the same people that cry when anime companies even subtitle something, because they didn't use a specific Japanese word they've been reading/hearing all the time in scanlations or fansubs. They pass judgement on English authenticity when they have no knowledge of the Japanese language and only have a fansubber/scanlation as their "source".

    Persons such as yourself, that want to immerse themselves in the language and culture BEYOND just anime and games I respect greatly. There is nothing wrong with wanting to learn about different cultures at all, and learning any language is only beneficial and opens many many doors.

    I think people are missing the point with my posts tho :/ While weeabos annoy me yes, I'm not by any means "mad" or "raging" lol. I guess I just worry more than anything. I've many friends around me who do this sort of thing, with one so far as to wanting to BE Japanese, because she grew up watching anime and jpop singers. By BEING Japanese, I don't mean just immersing in the culture or learning the language, its the thought of wanting to shed her own culture (and get surgery to look more Asian) and integrate herself into their society as if she was Japanese all along. And I'm sure she's not the only one out there x.x

    I had my time with the whole anime/game obsession too, but I came out of it and realized there was a lot more to Japan than just that. I still want to go there someday, but I hardly think of it as some sort of high-society community that I must belong to to be special. I just enjoy it for what it is now. One good thing that came out of that though, is that I taught myself how to read and write hiragana, katakana, and some basic kanji, and pick up some vocabulary and sentence structure in spoken language, and its helping out tremendously right now infact, since I'm working on subtitling the Live Letter using Rein's script.

    Love all. <.<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhem View Post
    And again, I'm not so concerned with anime in this topic, as of course, the shows are made in Japan with Japanese people in mind.

    I wasn't referring to you specifically in my post, but moreso those people that don't speak a lick of Japanese or don't bother to learn words past "KAWAII" or "KUSO" or "BAKA", holding the language in some high regard to appear more cultured or trying to fit into a niche or whatever. These are the same people that cry when anime companies even subtitle something, because they didn't use a specific Japanese word they've been reading/hearing all the time in scanlations or fansubs. They pass judgement on English authenticity when they have no knowledge of the Japanese language and only have a fansubber/scanlation as their "source".

    Persons such as yourself, that want to immerse themselves in the language and culture BEYOND just anime and games I respect greatly. There is nothing wrong with wanting to learn about different cultures at all, and learning any language is only beneficial and opens many many doors.

    I think people are missing the point with my posts tho :/ While weeabos annoy me yes, I'm not by any means "mad" or "raging" lol. I guess I just worry more than anything. I've many friends around me who do this sort of thing, with one so far as to wanting to BE Japanese, because she grew up watching anime and jpop singers. By BEING Japanese, I don't mean just immersing in the culture or learning the language, its the thought of wanting to shed her own culture (and get surgery to look more Asian) and integrate herself into their society as if she was Japanese all along. And I'm sure she's not the only one out there x.x

    I had my time with the whole anime/game obsession too, but I came out of it and realized there was a lot more to Japan than just that. I still want to go there someday, but I hardly think of it as some sort of high-society community that I must belong to to be special. I just enjoy it for what it is now. One good thing that came out of that though, is that I taught myself how to read and write hiragana, katakana, and some basic kanji, and pick up some vocabulary and sentence structure in spoken language, and its helping out tremendously right now infact, since I'm working on subtitling the Live Letter using Rein's script.

    Love all. <.<
    So you're basically ranting entirely off topic.

    I get it.


    This doesn't change the fact that Japan has a much more solid voice acting tradition than any major western country, and many people appreciate Japanese voice acting because of its general quality, that is simply unparaleled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
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    Only going to reply to you this once. I'm purposely ignoring you, because based on past threads, you like to have an air of superiority, and pass off your opinions as facts, which is what you're doing here. Arguing, discussing, debating with you is completely pointless because you're completely grounded in your beliefs that anything that comes out of your head is fact, and not your own subjective opinion.

    You can state you worked in the "industry" for years, just like you stated you had experience in networking in that trash thread back in December. You like to talk, a lot, but I've yet to be convinced of your "credentials", nor do I really care to be convinced any longer.

    I don't hate you or anything like that, I just don't feel like turning this into a 20 page endless drabble where you get on your soapbox and pretty much pass off everything you say as fact. Anyway...

    I find myself listening to the sides of others in here who are posting simpler, more honest opinions, (like Soukyuu). I'd like to have a discussion with you one day, but not when you're up on your pedestal looking down at us plebs.

    Now stop distracting me or this video won't get done >.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhem View Post
    Only going to reply to you this once. I'm purposely ignoring you, because based on past threads, you like to have an air of superiority, and pass off your opinions as facts, which is what you're doing here. Arguing, discussing, debating with you is completely pointless because you're completely grounded in your beliefs that anything that comes out of your head is fact, and not your own subjective opinion.

    You can state you worked in the "industry" for years, just like you stated you had experience in networking in that trash thread back in December. You like to talk, a lot, but I've yet to be convinced of your "credentials", nor do I really care to be convinced any longer.

    I don't hate you or anything like that, I just don't feel like turning this into a 20 page endless drabble where you get on your soapbox and pretty much pass off everything you say as fact. Anyway...

    I find myself listening to the sides of others in here who are posting simpler, more honest opinions, (like Soukyuu). I'd like to have a discussion with you one day, but not when you're up on your pedestal looking down at us plebs.

    Now stop distracting me or this video won't get done >.>
    Basically you don't like admitting that some people may simply know better than you about some topics and may simply speak out of experience. That's fair, i'm sure it burns.

    You can go ahead raging irrationally about "weaboos" if it floats your boat (the funniest part is that you debuted in this thread insulting and labeling others, and then you complain when you're told).

    Facts remain facts, whether you like them or not, and whether you believe my credentials or not, my arguments speak by themselves.

    Obviously you can resort to the evident copout of ignoring the topic at hand and just attacking me on the personal level as you just did, but that doesn't really help your point, if you ever had one.
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    All I can say is, if Patrick Stewart, Steven Blum, David Hayter, Eddie Deezen, Tara Strong, and Billy West aren't Louisoix, Thancred, Raubahn, Papalymo, Yda, and Bahamut respectively, then this game will fail.

    This is a fact. You want your game to succeed? You put Patrick Stewart, Steven Blum, David Hayter, Eddie Deezen, Tara Strong, and Billy West in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denmo View Post
    All I can say is, if Patrick Stewart, Steven Blum, David Hayter, Eddie Deezen, Tara Strong, and Billy West aren't Louisoix, Thancred, Raubahn, Papalymo, Yda, and Bahamut respectively, then this game will fail.

    This is a fact. You want your game to succeed? You put Patrick Stewart, Steven Blum, David Hayter, Eddie Deezen, Tara Strong, and Billy West in it.
    I suddenly want to hear Billy West come from Bahamut... I don't know why...

    But really... suddenly all I see in this thread are silly little human children... play nice now or we will have to fetch the switch...

    The cat is bemused =-.-=
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    Vil, I saw you weren't addressing me personally, I just felt like answering anyway :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhem View Post
    I think people are missing the point with my posts tho :/ While weeabos annoy me yes, I'm not by any means "mad" or "raging" lol. I guess I just worry more than anything. I've many friends around me who do this sort of thing, with one so far as to wanting to BE Japanese, because she grew up watching anime and jpop singers. By BEING Japanese, I don't mean just immersing in the culture or learning the language, its the thought of wanting to shed her own culture (and get surgery to look more Asian) and integrate herself into their society as if she was Japanese all along. And I'm sure she's not the only one out there x.x
    Haha what? Seriously? I do see the Japanese culture as attractive as it coincides with my personal values quite a lot. Of course it's not without faults, none is. I also don't understand how one can get the idea they can become Japanese. You can be knowledgeable about their culture and be able to integrate yourself into their society, but ultimately, you will always stay a foreigner (albeit integrated).

    Anyway, anime are one thing, games are another. SE did a decent job so far (even though I hated the laughing scene in FFX :P) and since the US/UK/DE/FR/JP offices(?) seem to be working together and have contact to the original story writers, they should be able to ask what the writers meant to express with a certain scene. I see no problems here, the rest is up to the voice actors to express those feelings correctly and naturally.
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