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    Well, while I think you have a valid point, I'd like to point out one thing myself. The animations are being developed in Japan, likely with the Japanese audio in mind. That means that technically, there is a quantifiably higher quality to the Japanese dubs as opposed to the other languages. That being said, I happen to like the cadance of the Japanese language, but if the English is better, I will listen to them, for simplicity sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulan View Post
    Well, while I think you have a valid point, I'd like to point out one thing myself. The animations are being developed in Japan, likely with the Japanese audio in mind. That means that technically, there is a quantifiably higher quality to the Japanese dubs as opposed to the other languages. That being said, I happen to like the cadance of the Japanese language, but if the English is better, I will listen to them, for simplicity sake.
    I'm not disputing "authenticity" when it comes to anime, because yes, those are produced with a Japanese audience in mind. But FFXIV is not an anime, nor is it just another game that's being "brought over" to the States. It's actually a simultaneous global release, with its specific regions as its target audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhem View Post
    I'm not disputing "authenticity" when it comes to anime, because yes, those are produced with a Japanese audience in mind. But FFXIV is not an anime, nor is it just another game that's being "brought over" to the States. It's actually a simultaneous global release, with its specific regions as its target audience.
    While this is truth, it's not exactly the truth. Animations will be made just for 1 language, prolly japanese. Jp tend to use many words when they speak so when u try to dub jp animations, english dub ends up sounding slow and unnatural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder View Post
    Well, there are some instances in which the English voice totally beats the Japanese counterpart. Fr instance, the man who voiced this guy in Crisis Core and the Advent Children movie:

    I didn't think it was possible for me to be even more in love with the fictional man. Then I heard him speak in AC.

    Oh. My. GOD.

    Beats the Japanese voice by a MILE, imo.
    Oh Skye...<3 We shall make happy puddles of bliss when we hear Thanny voiced, won't we? T.T /high5

    Quote Originally Posted by Pancakes View Post
    While this is truth, it's not exactly the truth. Animations will be made just for 1 language, prolly japanese. Jp tend to use many words when they speak so when u try to dub jp animations, english dub ends up sounding slow and unnatural.
    I'm not arguing anime here, nor the production of it. I'm quite aware of the differences that need to be made with script changes to match flapping mouths and whatnot, which can result in quirky and clunky dubs. Once upon a time, I too watched anime, and had about equal dub and sub. Some are hit, some are miss, I will give you that, BUT..the point I am trying to make is that people treat the Japanese and their language as if they're some omnipotent existence on this Earth and that anything in Japanese will always be vastly superior (not just anime, as evidenced by this very thread), even when production elements and high quality dub voice actors are streamlined; because to these people, their minds are ALREADY made up that anything non-Japanese will suck. Then they will watch or listen to said non-Japanese thing and find reasons to validate their worshiping of the Japanese language and its superiority. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhem View Post
    the point I am trying to make is that people treat the Japanese and their language as if they're some omnipotent existence on this Earth and that anything in Japanese will always be vastly superior (not just anime, as evidenced by this very thread), even when production elements and high quality dub voice actors are streamlined; because to these people, their minds are ALREADY made up that anything non-Japanese will suck. Then they will watch or listen to said non-Japanese thing and find reasons to validate their worshiping of the Japanese language and its superiority. Lol
    Meh, welcome to nerd culture. Hell, welcome to human nature, frankly.

    Paragone debates are annoying, but I guess people that need to cling to something with airs of superiority will do it regardless. Soccer is better than American Football, Coke is better than Pepsi, painting is better than sculpture, pie is better than cake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsy View Post
    Meh, welcome to nerd culture. Hell, welcome to human nature, frankly.

    Paragone debates are annoying, but I guess people that need to cling to something with airs of superiority will do it regardless. Soccer is better than American Football, Coke is better than Pepsi, painting is better than sculpture, pie is better than cake.
    YOU LIE. CAKE IS BETTER.

    In all seriousness though, I think you nailed it when you mentioned the need to cling to something to seem "cultured" or superiority. I guess it would be the same thing rich people do when they oogle everything French and Parisian.

    Also, I'm a horrible person because everytime you post I spend a good few minutes staring at your sig's cat boobs. T.T
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhem View Post
    Also, I'm a horrible person because everytime you post I spend a good few minutes staring at your sig's cat boobs. T.T
    Enjoy them while you can, gender-swap retcon is down the pike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilhem View Post
    Oh Skye...<3 We shall make happy puddles of bliss when we hear Thanny voiced, won't we? T.T /high5



    I'm not arguing anime here, nor the production of it. I'm quite aware of the differences that need to be made with script changes to match flapping mouths and whatnot, which can result in quirky and clunky dubs. Once upon a time, I too watched anime, and had about equal dub and sub. Some are hit, some are miss, I will give you that, BUT..the point I am trying to make is that people treat the Japanese and their language as if they're some omnipotent existence on this Earth and that anything in Japanese will always be vastly superior (not just anime, as evidenced by this very thread), even when production elements and high quality dub voice actors are streamlined; because to these people, their minds are ALREADY made up that anything non-Japanese will suck. Then they will watch or listen to said non-Japanese thing and find reasons to validate their worshiping of the Japanese language and its superiority. Lol
    Thing is, most mainstream anime/games are either: Japanese or English. If you're playing on a Nintendo console or Sony console, chances are it's one of the two for most games. So it's not that Japanese is held "above all", it's the simple fact most gaming and anime media that's mainstream is Japanese.

    If it was Chinese or Korean you'd be pissy about people holding those languages over English or French.
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