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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder View Post
    InB4 "Just do a remake of FFVII, it's that simple!" lol

    But in all seriousness, if anything I've learned about the ups and downs of working in and/or running a game developing/publishing company is any indication, the words "really easy" should not come into play here. It's a lot more complicated than some people may think. What you think might sell very well could bomb.
    After all the remakes they made, they can't claim that it's a risky strategy to do one.

    The good point is : Making a game cost money, that's for sure. But spending millions on FFVII remake (Asked frequently by a lots of fans) is a lot less risky that teasing them with a game in developpement since 2006 that could bomb just because expectations are over the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Dude's not very smart and is talking straight out of the wrong orifice.

    "why going out of your way to replace Final Fantasy XI?"

    Well, because every online game, no matter how good, gets old. If you expect subscribers of Final Fantasy XI not to drop five years from now, your brain harbors delusions as big as a Zeppelin.

    "but Blizzard is not replacing world of warcaft durrrr!"

    1: Yes they are. Google "Blizzard Titan". At least check your facts before pretending to teach people with a ton more experience than you have "what works and what doesn't", you'll avoid looking more of a fool than you already do.

    2: World of Warcraft is considerably newer than Final Fantasy XI, and so is its engine, that also isn't held back by the PS2 and Xbox 360.

    3: World of Warcraft has a MUCH larger leeway in term of subscribers. Even if it starts dipping it'll take a much longer time for it to lose its profitability edge.

    Talk about comparing apples to escalators. 20 minutes of my life wasted on someone that doesn't hold the slightest idea of what he's talking about.

    Oh, by the way, as an urelated note Wada reiterated once again during the live letter that nothing's going to change for A Realm Reborn.
    I dunno, Everquest is still going strong, 15 years later, even though it's older than FFXI and has a much smaller fan base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyln View Post
    I dunno, Everquest is still going strong, 15 years later, even though it's older than FFXI and has a much smaller fan base.
    And it's been replaced once and it's about to be replaced a second time. Sorry if I ask, but what's your point?

    Square Enix didn't close down XI as well, and isn't nearly about to. The silly point the ignorant dude from the video is trying to make is that Square Enix shouldn't try to make a new MMORPG because they already have XI (since Blizzard isn't making one because they already have WoW, which is false even if the comparison was fitting, and it isn't)

    Of course it doesn't make the slightest sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    After all the remakes they made, they can't claim that it's a risky strategy to do one.

    The good point is : Making a game cost money, that's for sure. But spending millions on FFVII remake (Asked frequently by a lots of fans) is a lot less risky that teasing them with a game in developpement since 2006 that could bomb just because expectations are over the top.
    Actually, a FFVII remake could very well be more risky than coming up with a new game. You're talking about remaking a tried and true cult classic. Love it or hate it, FFVII is arguably the definitive game of the entire franchise. Someone says the words "Final Fantasy", it's hard not to think the names "Cloud", "Sephiroth", and Aeris". Likely the most iconic and successful single-player game in the franchise. So... remaking it could just as easily break Squeenix as the failure of ARR, since anything seen as a deviation from the classic hit title could be seen as "sacriligious" in the eyes of fans, while at the same time following the formula extremely close could make the game seem "archaic" or "outdated" to others. In other words, too many changes to bring it up to date will make a lot of fans cry in outrage, while keeping it too much the same will make others go "Meh, why bother? I already have this game anyway." In the end, why remake it, since the original game still sells to this very day? Why take that risk? And why stay there in the past when they could be working on new games? If people want to play FFVII, it's out there. It's been out there since the 90s. Have at it. If Squeenix is going to take a big risk, I'd rather it be on something new, not a remake of a decades-old game. Nostalgia is all well and good, but it's not powerful enough to keep Squeenix afloat. Just my $0.02.
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    ff vii is overrated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riv View Post
    ff vii is overrated
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4ghqKt2nds



    lol But seriously, what does that have to do with the conversation?
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    What worked? FFXI! Is there another game out there that generated more revenue for SE(honestly curious)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackpearlguy View Post
    What worked? FFXI! Is there another game out there that generated more revenue for SE(honestly curious)?
    It doesn't matter. It won't generate revenue forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    It doesn't matter. It won't generate revenue forever.


    The thing about game franchises is that the people who help create them have to have forward-thinking minds. Yes, FFXI worked. For years. But it's time to move on. Else the product you have may end up becoming stale and losing you customers, and if you haven't prepared for that and had something else for your customers to move on to, then you lose money.

    I mean, I don't even work for a big name game making company, and even I know that. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder View Post
    Likely the most iconic and successful single-player game in the franchise. So... remaking it could just as easily break Squeenix as the failure of ARR, since anything seen as a deviation from the classic hit title could be seen as "sacriligious" in the eyes of fans, while at the same time following the formula extremely close could make the game seem "archaic" or "outdated" to others
    FFIV had a shit tons of remake, changing the graphics, altering the combat sytem, allowing character swap, etc...and each time the game sold pretty nice.

    FF VII has sold more than all FF "new gen" combined, only couting the PSOne version.

    And even the Dragon Quest remakes on DS sold pretty well, despite being the pinnacle of archaism.
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