Padjal Naming Conventions?

[Yrusama]

I'm not sure which wiki you're posting on, but it's generally not a good idea to include assumptions. Source everything! ^^

lol, I know.

"If they are indeed ageless then it becomes unlikely that the Padjal themselves can ever reproduce, being biologically too young to be fertile."

I worded it as speculation in the Trivia section. I do what I can to not post anything unofficial as though it's fact.

Of course, if people don't like it they can edit it themselves. This is why I keep asking for help on the wiki. Even I make mistakes, and I'm going on a mass-editing spree once the NDA is fully lifted to correct all of the 1.0 data I can while I separate it with updated ARR data.

[Fleurette]

lol, I know.

"If they are indeed ageless then it becomes unlikely that the Padjal themselves can ever reproduce, being biologically too young to be fertile."

I worded it as speculation in the Trivia section. I do what I can to not post anything unofficial as though it's fact.

Of course, if people don't like it they can edit it themselves. This is why I keep asking for help on the wiki. Even I make mistakes, and I'm going on a mass-editing spree once the NDA is fully lifted to correct all of the 1.0 data I can while I separate it with updated ARR data.

Speculation aside, this is a really weird theory to me, because here's the thing: like Ferne said earlier in this thread, the three families which constantly produce Padjal are the Pesi/Yan/Senna families. So...assuming they are the only children of that family, they kind of would have to be able to reproduce to keep the family line going. If we go back maybe a few hundred years or so and maybe only one Senna was born, and that Senna was a Padjal, we would have to assume that that Padjal had kids; whether they grew horns and were blessed by the elementals is a different story because, as stated, it's pretty damn rare. So, unless O-App/E-Sumi/Kan-E and her siblings have other , Hyur siblings we don't know about to keep the family line going (that would be an interesting twist), that would be the only explanation to me...which, yeah, is a little creepy considering the only Padjal who even looks somewhat old enough to do that is Kan-E...so unless the elementals are giving them magical babies out of trees...it's pretty strange.

...Though, keep in mind, the Padjal are much older than they look, as E-Sumi states in both 1.0 and ARR, saying he has "seen many more summers" than you would first think. It makes me wonder what determines a Padjal's biological clock to stop--for example, the Sennas. Is Kan-E stuck at being the oldest-looking Padjal because she is the oldest of the siblings and the "Elder Seedseer"? Is Raya-O stuck as looking like the middle child and A-Ruhn the youngest? I never really knew so I always assumed the Sennas were the youngest Padjal...I felt like E-Sumi (who I'm assuming might be over 100) was actually older than Kan-E. They don't give us much history on her in the story aside from the Twin Adder blurb on the Lodestone, nor any of the Padjal-producing families in general. So I'm stuck with making my own crazy theories about how old they all really are...and that's a story for another day. :P

[finiteHP]

Speculation aside, this is a really weird theory to me, because here's the thing: like Ferne said earlier in this thread, the three families which constantly produce Padjal are the Pesi/Yan/Senna families. So...assuming they are the only children of that family, they kind of would have to be able to reproduce to keep the family line going. If we go back maybe a few hundred years or so and maybe only one Senna was born, and that Senna was a Padjal, we would have to assume that that Padjal had kids; whether they grew horns and were blessed by the elementals is a different story because, as stated, it's pretty damn rare. So, unless O-App/E-Sumi/Kan-E and her siblings have other , Hyur siblings we don't know about to keep the family line going (that would be an interesting twist), that would be the only explanation to me...which, yeah, is a little creepy considering the only Padjal who even looks somewhat old enough to do that is Kan-E...so unless the elementals are giving them magical babies out of trees...it's pretty strange.

...Though, keep in mind, the Padjal are much older than they look, as E-Sumi states in both 1.0 and ARR, saying he has "seen many more summers" than you would first think. It makes me wonder what determines a Padjal's biological clock to stop--for example, the Sennas. Is Kan-E stuck at being the oldest-looking Padjal because she is the oldest of the siblings and the "Elder Seedseer"? Is Raya-O stuck as looking like the middle child and A-Ruhn the youngest? I never really knew so I always assumed the Sennas were the youngest Padjal...I felt like E-Sumi (who I'm assuming might be over 100) was actually older than Kan-E. They don't give us much history on her in the story aside from the Twin Adder blurb on the Lodestone, nor any of the Padjal-producing families in general. So I'm stuck with making my own crazy theories about how old they all really are...and that's a story for another day. :P

I personally interpret "consistently (albeit rarely) produce Padjals" as meaning that while quite a few members of those families become Padjals, the majority do not. It is the normal Hyur members of the families that continue on the family line. There probably wouldn't be many instances where there is only one child in a generation, so the family could carry on. I'll use myself as an example. I am an only child. If I had become a padjal my parent's line would have ended. But I have 10 cousins on my father's side. As long as they didn't become padjal and had kids of their own the family would carry on.

[Sanadaiyeve]

The hyur girl, Fye (spelling?), used her own life energy to fuel her whm spells. She deliberately refused to learn the proper means of casting healing spells and was a threat to herself. This may be why, in those eras mentioned, that white magick was banned through whm ignorance as to a proper source for channeling their heals.

[Sanadaiyeve]

The hyur girl, Fye (spelling?), used her own life energy to fuel her whm spells. She deliberately refused to learn the proper means of casting healing spells and was a threat to herself. This may be why, in those eras mentioned, that white magick was banned through whm ignorance as to a proper source for channeling their heals.

As for who was using white magick before conjury was created this could well be individuals like Fye and her mother who could , unknowingly, tap into their life force to cast powerful heals.

And if these types of healers were busy accidently killing themselves through Raise, could they have revived or will they in 2.0 revive so and so's given that they are unbound by the conjurer's rules.

[Sounsyy]

She deliberately refused to learn the proper means of casting healing spells and was a threat to herself. This may be why, in those eras mentioned, that white magick was banned through whm ignorance as to a proper source for channeling their heals.

While Raya-O-Senna is probably not the most reliable source on the subject, she mentions that White Magic was originally created as a balance to the destructive force of Black Magic. And that it became forbidden as a result of White Mages abusing their healing powers for self gain.

I wouldn't really count self-sacrificing magic as using your powers for self gain. Seems pretty close to the definition of a selfless act to me. I image the abuse of power that White Mages were accused of by the Elementals was something closer to seeking profit for healing. Maybe altering the aetherial form of the magic to harm rather than to heal. Something along those lines. What the girl is doing in the new ARR CNJ questline seems more akin to a form of 1.0's Thaumaturgy than the essence of Conjury.

Conjury draws from the power from the earth and aether and channels that energy into a spell. Whereas, Thaumaturgy drains the aetherial stores of the caster's own body. Like how in the new THM class quests the youngest of the seven lalafell brothers simply does not possess enough aether to sufficiently cast a spell without doing himself harm.

[Catapult]

The hyur girl, Fye (spelling?), used her own life energy to fuel her whm spells.

Wrong character, sweetie. Fye was a child fifteen years ago and we haven't seen her since.

[Yrusama]

Speculation aside, this is a really weird theory to me, because here's the thing: like Ferne said earlier in this thread, the three families which constantly produce Padjal are the Pesi/Yan/Senna families. So...assuming they are the only children of that family, they kind of would have to be able to reproduce to keep the family line going. If we go back maybe a few hundred years or so and maybe only one Senna was born, and that Senna was a Padjal, we would have to assume that that Padjal had kids; whether they grew horns and were blessed by the elementals is a different story because, as stated, it's pretty damn rare. So, unless O-App/E-Sumi/Kan-E and her siblings have other , Hyur siblings we don't know about to keep the family line going (that would be an interesting twist), that would be the only explanation to me...which, yeah, is a little creepy considering the only Padjal who even looks somewhat old enough to do that is Kan-E...so unless the elementals are giving them magical babies out of trees...it's pretty strange.

...Though, keep in mind, the Padjal are much older than they look, as E-Sumi states in both 1.0 and ARR, saying he has "seen many more summers" than you would first think. It makes me wonder what determines a Padjal's biological clock to stop--for example, the Sennas. Is Kan-E stuck at being the oldest-looking Padjal because she is the oldest of the siblings and the "Elder Seedseer"? Is Raya-O stuck as looking like the middle child and A-Ruhn the youngest? I never really knew so I always assumed the Sennas were the youngest Padjal...I felt like E-Sumi (who I'm assuming might be over 100) was actually older than Kan-E. They don't give us much history on her in the story aside from the Twin Adder blurb on the Lodestone, nor any of the Padjal-producing families in general. So I'm stuck with making my own crazy theories about how old they all really are...and that's a story for another day. :P

Not that it has much bearing on Eorzean culture, but I think there are laws in the US regarding relationships with adults who look like minors. If not, then at the very least it's socially awkward.

I agree with finiteHP, there is probably much more to the Padjal-producing line than is shown. My guess is that O-App Pesi, E-Sumi Yan and the Senna sisters are something like fourth cousins twice removed. We don't know their exact ages, so they could be from totally different generations.

[Catapult]

I agree with finiteHP, there is probably much more to the Padjal-producing line than is shown. My guess is that O-App Pesi, E-Sumi Yan and the Senna sisters are something like fourth cousins twice removed. We don't know their exact ages, so they could be from totally different generations.

This is an opinion I share.

Mind you, I find it interesting that the three Sennas are referred to as siblings, suggesting that the one Hyur mother gave birth to three padjal, and ones that rose to become the seedseer council no less - this would have to be very rare.

[Fleurette]

This is an opinion I share.

Mind you, I find it interesting that the three Sennas are referred to as siblings, suggesting that the one Hyur mother gave birth to three padjal, and ones that rose to become the seedseer council no less - this would have to be very rare.

I was actually thinking about that possibility earlier today, that they weren't actually directly related and just happened to come from different generations! The forums read my mind! o.o

We still can't say for sure because we don't know their exact ages, but it would make sense, even with Kan-E calling Raya-O and A-Ruhn "sister" and "brother"--they're usually addressed by those titles by the general populace anyway (ex. Brother O-App, Brother E-Sumi), so yeah, they could just be acting as siblings since they're in the same family, when in fact they might be, like...hundreds of years apart.

Not that it has much bearing on Eorzean culture, but I think there are laws in the US regarding relationships with adults who look like minors. If not, then at the very least it's socially awkward.

...if that's true, i guess that means i'm not going on a date for a very long time.