An Eorzean Timeline.

[Myranda]

I question it somewhat. Read the race biographies for Elezen and Hyur on the NA site. We're told that the Elezen were the sole inhabitants of Eorzea until the Hyur migrated in what was akin to invasion. The Hyur have been in Eorzea for a thousand years. That's nothing; the Sixth Astral Era alone was 1,572 years - and the Allag were destroyed in the Fourth.

There's a pretty good chance that all of the Allag were Elezen.

But is it not true that the miqo'te came over the frozen seas during a previous umbral era? If the hyurs were the first immigrants to Eorzea, certainly they must have do so well before 1000 years ago, at least before the miqo'te migration.

[NoloeTazier]

But is it not true that the miqo'te came over the frozen seas during a previous umbral era? If the hyurs were the first immigrants to Eorzea, certainly they must have do so well before 1000 years ago, at least before the miqo'te migration.

The Hyur are actually the newest race to Eorzea. When the first Hyur appeared in Eorzea, Ishgard was being founded. The Miqo'te came over in the Fifth Umbral era when the seas were frozen, 1500+ years ago. Nonetheless the Hyur and Elezen clashed, there's no wars reported until the Autumn War almost 1000 years later since the first Hyur stepped foot on Eorzea.

Essentially I think it looks like this:
Elezen -> Hellsguard Roegadyn -> Lalafell -> Sea Wolf Roegadyn -> Miqo'te -> Hyur.

Reason why I separate the Hellsguard and Sea Wolf Roegs is because the Hellsguard Roegadyn seem to have established themselves in the mountains of the north and learned the ways of magic, which I assume would take years and years of work and practice for a non-magical race to just learn the basics of magic. While the Sea Wolf Roegydan are simple Pirates and would have only chosen to live in Eorzea after (or during) Limsa Lominsa was founded.

I assume Lalafell have been in Eorzea BEFORE the seas flooded over because Shatotto and the Thaumaturge were already established in Eorzea when she created the Stardust Rod. Also Plainsfolk Lalafell loved to farm the soil on Vylbrand so I have to assume Limsa Lominsa is established as well...possibly by the Lalafell ships? Elezen established Gridania, Lalafell established Ul'dah, and Lalafell established Limsa? Limsa Lominsa was probably a collective of Roegydan and Lalafell.

Edit: Which actually brings up a huge question for me. The Archons are suppose to be reincarnated Twelve, Thancred is a member of the youngest Eorzean race the Hyurs. Louisoix and Urianger are Elezen and Elezen have long life spans than the other races of course for them to be 1500+ years old and have caused the Sixth Umbral era seems a little farfetched. But this is a time in Eorzea when Hyur are nowhere to be seen. So we're looking at Thancred and Yda..2 Hyur who's race has only been in Eorzea at the longest for 1000 years. If the Archons are reincarnated over and over as the same person, just a speculative example being Louisoix as the new silver-haired Elezen boy, how could 2 Hyur become Archons. So the 'real' reincarnation has to be: The Circle of Knowing choose the next reincarnated person or the Twelve's "soul" itself is born again in a new body regardless of the race.

[Anonymoose]

But is it not true that the miqo'te came over the frozen seas during a previous umbral era? If the hyurs were the first immigrants to Eorzea, certainly they must have do so well before 1000 years ago, at least before the miqo'te migration.

... how did that never cross my mind? Hold on a second. <shuffles through a stack of books, holding up two differently aged copies of the same text to compare>

In former times, the Elezen were the sole inhabitants of Eorzea, claiming dominion over her. Traditionally a nomadic people, the tall, slender Elezen believed the realm to be theirs by divine right—a gift from the Twelve themselves. Unfortunately, this belief made the eventual appearance of the Hyur in their multitudes akin to an invasion, and a long history of conflict ensued.

The Elezen once claimed sole dominion over Eorzea, their presence predating that of the other races, and, as such, developed a heightened sense of honor and pride. In years past, the Hyur migration into Elezen lands sparked bitter conflict.

I think you're right, and I think SE caught that ambiguity before I did... going to have to do some more 1.X to ARR text comparisons and see if anything else like that snuck by me.

So, correction, the Hyur weren't the first outsiders - they were the first outsiders to come in great numbers...

Nice catch. I'd never even questioned the 1.X text.

Statistically speaking, I'd still say the Allagan are still likely to be primarily Elezen due to the fact that if they considered a migratory wave to be an invasion, they would have seen an Empire like a vegan sees a pork chop... but this does leave the door open...

[Myranda]

... how did that never cross my mind? Hold on a second. <shuffles through a stack of books, holding up two differently aged copies of the same text to compare>





I think you're right, and I think SE caught that ambiguity before I did... going to have to do some more 1.X to ARR text comparisons and see if anything else like that snuck by me.

So, correction, the Hyur weren't the first outsiders - they were the first outsiders to come in great numbers...

Nice catch. I'd never even questioned the 1.X text.

Statistically speaking, I'd still say the Allagan are still likely to be primarily Elezen due to the fact that if they considered a migratory wave to be an invasion, they would have seen an Empire like a vegan sees a pork chop... but this does leave the door open...

Ah, specifying "in large numbers" could matter a great bit indeed. The miqo'te/lalafell/rœgadyn presence could have been not large enough for the elezen to bother. It's also possible that their total dominion over Eorzea is overstated: maybe they didn't care for arid Thanalan and so the lalafell taking residence there wasn't a concern since it wasn't much of an active elezen territory (and similar for other regions outside of their apparently dominant Coerthas and the Twelveswood). If so the deal with the hyurs could be that they actually started moving into areas of Eorzea that the elezen cared about.

Do we know anything about when Ul'dah and Sil'dih were actually founded to say that lalafell have been around at least this long? All I see on the timeline is the formation of the Sultansworn and the fall of Sil'dih, both well into 6A.E.

[NoloeTazier]

Ah, specifying "in large numbers" could matter a great bit indeed. The miqo'te/lalafell/rœgadyn presence could have been not large enough for the elezen to bother. It's also possible that their total dominion over Eorzea is overstated: maybe they didn't care for arid Thanalan and so the lalafell taking residence there wasn't a concern since it wasn't much of an active elezen territory (and similar for other regions outside of their apparently dominant Coerthas and the Twelveswood). If so the deal with the hyurs could be that they actually started moving into areas of Eorzea that the elezen cared about.

Do we know anything about when Ul'dah and Sil'dih were actually founded to say that lalafell have been around at least this long? All I see on the timeline is the formation of the Sultansworn and the fall of Sil'dih, both well into 6A.E.

Well we're told the Grand Companies came together at the end of the Fifth Astral era (1500+ years ago) to get ready for the Sixth Umbral era. And there's no history of a Grand Company that isn't the Immortal Flames, Twin Adders, Maelstorm. So Ul'dah, Gridania, and Limsa Lominsa were at least founded and established well before this time. And I just assume that the Thaumaturge Shatotto is a Lalafell Thaumaturge, who else could bring down a 'star' and turn it into a weapon only a Lalafell that's who (joking of course, I just wanted to say that). As for the Sil'dih we don't have that history yet, but I assume that if their city was in the Sagoli desert and they had aqueducts all the way to the Copperbell mines that the Sil'dih were around just as long as Ul'dah and both cooperated at least in the beginning.