Seeker of the Sun Nunh + Keeper of the moon

[Dannythm]

So, what naming convention and what tribe would belong a child born of the mating of a Nunh Seeker of the sun and a Keeper of the moon female?

I can't figure this one out (may be that I'm overloaded with work and really tired).

[Feta]

I'd also like to know this, as my character and another couple peoples' are supposed to be halflings as well.

[Yrusama]

I'll have to use my name as a placeholder as it is non-gender-exclusive, and use the examples of K'takya Nunh and Okhi Nbolo as parents, so forgive me for matchmaking and gender bending in the same post.

Here's my take:

The female Seeker of the Sun is given a surname that is identical to the father's first name, while the male has no reference to their lineage apart from the tribal prefix. Therefore only for a daughter will the parent name matter with sun-kitties:

Parents: K'takya Nunh and Okhi Nbolo
Male: K'yru Tia
Female: K'yru Takya

For Keepers of the Moon, both genders are dependent on the mother's surname, but only a male's first name is dependent on the mother's first name.

Parents: K'takya Nunh and Okhi Nbolo
Male(1st): Okhi'a Nbolo
Female: Yru Nbolo

For the crossing of these parents, the names of both parents is impossible to reflect in a daughter apart from blatantly passing either parent's first name down as a first name, although you can at least include the tribal prefix. However, for a male you can take the tribal prefix from the father and both names of the mother, and hopefully circumstances will allow you to disregard the numbering suffix of the first name.

Parents: K'takya Nunh and Okhi Nbolo
Male: K'okhi Nbolo (K'okhi'a Nbolo if the first of multiple sons)
Female: K'yru Nbolo (K'takya Nbolo if you want to fully reflect the father's name)

I suppose there might be other ways to mix and match, but this is what I came up with. Another question this raises is what you would call the resulting child:

Keeper of the Sun
Seeker of the Moon
Bringer of the Dawn/Dusk/Twilight
Beholder of the Eclipse

[Xenedra]

Seeing as the father of the Sunnies and the mother of the Moonies are the ones from which a child takes their name, there would likely be a fight! Actually, I bet it's a case by case basis, thing. To know, we'd probably have to know the stance of the particular Sun Seeker tribe on Moon Keepers at the time the child came to be. Seems to me that either the Sun tribe would take on the Moon Keeper as their own (Moonies being solitary and the Sunny male not likely wanting to leave his tribe), or the couple would leave to live a solitary life ala the Moonies. It's probably not out of the question for the two star crossed lovers to be booted from both their respective groups depending on attitudes between the two tribes at the time.

Over-all... My guess is that it'd depend very solidly on the disposition of the male/female and tribes involved, rather than some set of rules. ... Unless they actually have rules for that >.> Ooooh, what if it depends on if they're born at night or during the day. That'd be really cool :x!

[Myranda]

My guess would be its something like people choosing which last name to use after getting married... you could either go to one side or the other, or attempt a mixing (like a hypenated name).

Most likely I think would be the child follows Moon conventions, as both clans are fairly matriarchal as far as power is concerned and the mother might hold more sway in the decision.

That said, both parents would likely be shunned by their original societies for interbreeding... so they could realistically name the child anything and it would also be shunned as a half-blood no matter what.

[Yrusama]

To know, we'd probably have to know the stance of the particular Sun Seeker tribe on Moon Keepers at the time the child came to be. Seems to me that either the Sun tribe would take on the Moon Keeper as their own (Moonies being solitary and the Sunny male not likely wanting to leave his tribe), or the couple would leave to live a solitary life ala the Moonies.

Right, this does have a huge impact on how the child would be named. I imagine it also has to do with the child's legitimacy and whether or not the parents consider themselves a couple, let alone how their tribes see them. What if a Tia had a brief fling with a Keeper of the Moon woman, then the father died and the mother died in labor? Likely the mother would have returned to her small family and the child would be born with a Moon name.

[Dannythm]

Hmmm all of this really give a good starting point as to create a back story for our characters, having to define our parents and the circumstances in which we were born, as it would probably be as you guys said, it's a case-to-case basis and depends on the relationship between the parents.

So much to think about with just this bit of info provided! I can't wait to get a hold of more lore related stuff!

[Yrusama]

That said, both parents would likely be shunned by their original societies for interbreeding... so they could realistically name the child anything and it would also be shunned as a half-blood no matter what.

Depressing.... I still think the half-breed type needs its own name. Go, Beholders of the Eclipse!

[Myranda]

Depressing.... I still think the half-breed type needs its own name. Go, Beholders of the Eclipse!

It is a bit sad... but likely realistic. Somewhat rare too, considering one clan is diurnal and the other nocturnal so they may not come into contact all that often because one clan is busy sleeping. However! I think city folk would tend to be much more accepting, with the shunning more prominent in those still living the traditional tribal lifestyle. Big cities always are a melting pot of outcasts from other societies.

As for what to call the half-breeds, I think I'm partial to the dawn/dusk/twilight version... dawn has a leaning towards the Seeker of the Sun being prominent as the night is fading and daybreak is taking over, and just the opposite for dusk. Twilight would be more neutral. No matter which it might be referred to, I doubt it would link accurately to their daily activity/sleep cycle. Being crepuscular wouldn't leave them much time to get anything done!

[ShirKirakira]

I've been thinking about this a bit, especially with the social structure of the tribes.

Sun Miqo'te have a large population of males that are forced into celibacy.
Moon Miqo'tes have a small population of males due to low birthrate.
Females of both tribes would have a limited selection of males.

From a genetics standpoint, wouldn't these tribes begin to get really inbred after awhile? And can a Moon and Sun Miqo'te produce viable offspring? And how would such offspring be treated by the respective tribes? (And would be they physically healthier due to more diverse genetics?) It might not matter what we name our mixed breed Miqo'tes, if neither tribe will accept them.

Then there are the Miqo'tes that we the players get. Are they actual members of tribes, or are they outcasts? You think that a Miqo'te member of a Grand Company would be much more liberal in their views that one of the more traditional tribe members. (We probably won't know the full story behind this until 2.0 is released to the public).

But my opinion...I wouldn't be surprised if the Grand Companies were filled with Miqo'tes of both tribes and genders who were fed up with both social systems and decided to try their fortune elsewhere. You would probably have Sun males who would like to mate with someone without taking their life into their own hands (or maybe experiment with other species, heh) and Moon males who are probably tired of being under their mother's or sisters' thumbs all the time. You might have liberal Sun females who would like a single mate they don't have to share (like other races do, i.e. have a spouse) or can't stand their current tribe's Nunh; Moon females who might like a bigger mate selection in general. You might also have the rare deposed Nunh who didn't want to continue living among his tribe as a demoted Tia.

Big cities would be perfect places for these Miqo'tes to mix, and I doubt other of the races like Hyur, Lalafell, Roe, and Elezen would care if Moon and Sun cats were intermixing. It would be the perfect place for them to start using alias as well.