Current Gen Games: what do you expect from them?

[Shelia]

As much as i am defending XIV, i dont defent that game is perfect nd such. I deeply believe game is UNFINISHED. It shouldnbt be released for next few months. I consider this what whe have now real open beta. However things what i defend are combat system, which i really like and enjoy ( andf no, its nots spamming same skill. learn 2 play if you do) and classes system ( becouse now i can be anything i want to be. I love freedom, and sandbox feelingin my games and ill defent that till last pixel of blood in my mi'qote.

However this topp[is is not discussion aboutstate of FFXIV, but general discussion of what we expect from modern MMO.

It is spamming the same skills over and over... lol

You click different skills repeatedly. Happy now?

This.

If I wanted either of those games, I'd go play either of those games. If I wanted dynamic content, I'd play Rift (I hated Rift, and I hated the dynamic content it offered after ten minutes). I think it's a little ridiculous to make a topic asking what people want, and then state that everything you want is crap from other games....the one thing I have ALWAYS given SE credit for is being different in a sea of "me too" MMO games.....that's why I play their games, and that's why I love them (aside from loving the FF series to begin with).

I'd play those games if I could. I'd drop FFXIV like a hot coal and never look back. Sadly they are unreleased, so I'm stuck with this clunker of a game. =)

[BelgianRofl]

I really like having voice-overs. When reading text, it's often hard to feel the emotions of the speaker.

[Lamhirh]

well show me games when you dont use skills repeteadly. I mean there is only finite amount of skills, and i n most you never youe more than fits in skillbar. Of course there are games that you just point click, and game kills target fo you, but i dont think they are very enjoyable.

[TheVedis]

well show me games when you dont use skills repeteadly. I mean there is only finite amount of skills, and i n most you never youe more than fits in skillbar. Of course there are games that you just point click, and game kills target fo you, but i dont think they are very enjoyable.

all games require you to use similar skills over and over

everyone also points this as the biggest flaw in EVERY GAME

yet they keep bringing it up like any other game has done it right

[Grimm]

Since FFXIV is supposed to be a current gen game (and not a last gen game) what are some of the things you're seeing from other games and how they can be applied to FFXIV where necessary.

1. Extensive Voice Over - GW2 and SWTOR
People don't like reading walls of text anymore. No discipline I guess. So in order to get people more immersed in the game, voice overs seem to be used more and more. You don't just read the text, you hear it too... and in GW2's case you don't even read it.

2. Advanced char creation - EVE, super hero games, AoC
People really like to customize their avatar as much as possible. Selecting from one of a few options just doesn't cut it anymore. They want to tweak the nose, eyes, lips, chin, overall body type, and boob size. Likewise people want lots of ways to customize their armor and looks. In other words they want to stand out and look different from everyone else. They want to make their ideal char.

3. Dynamic Content - Rift, EVE, GW2
Eve just added incursions, areas where one NPC group takes over and people have to band together to get rid of them. Rift's rifts have the same effect I hear. In GW2 there are dynamic events and they operate in a chain of sorts (you complete one it goes away or back a step, if you fail one, it goes to the next step), the things you can do in an area change as well (ie a village gets burnt down, no more vendors until you drive away the raiders).

4. Dynamic Combat - GW2
Warriors have attack chain skills, as you keep using that skill slot it changes into the next skill in that line. Elementalists can change which element they are using on the fly. Everyone can switch weapons in combat (between two sets) and this changes the first 5 skills on your bar. If you get downed you get 5 skills just for that. Skills interact with each other (swing your sword through an allied fire zone and your sword catches fire). There's dynamic grouping so you don't have to party formally to team up against a mob and everyone gets a reward.

5. Lots of lore/storylines - GW2 and SWTOR
Only a little bit of lore and story here and there isn't good enough anymore. People want to be involved and invested in the world. Who are the people and NPCs? What do they want? Why do they want these things? What are the events of the world? How and why are they impacting things? What are the fundamental ideas that are in conflict and why?

These things are all that I expect the current gen to have. The first isn't so necessary and is pretty expensive. I'm sure there are more things, I just can't think of them right now.

GW2 and SWTOR are not out yet we assumed all this about FFXIV before launch don't make the same mistake twice.

[Shelia]

all games require you to use similar skills over and over

everyone also points this as the biggest flaw in EVERY GAME

yet they keep bringing it up like any other game has done it right

Nobody ever said any other game did it right. I still hate clicking/hotkeying skill bars no matter what game I'm playing. :3c

It's just more noticeable with FFXIV because well, gee... There's no auto attack and I have to press "attack" every time I want to hit my opponent. THAT is quite terrible.

[Lamhirh]

thats what makes it better than rest. but thats individual feeling <_<

[solracht]

all games require you to use similar skills over and over

everyone also points this as the biggest flaw in EVERY GAME

yet they keep bringing it up like any other game has done it right

Nobody's saying other spammy games don't require you to repeat skills over and over, they're saying other games do it better than XIV.

[solracht]

GW2 and SWTOR are not out yet we assumed all this about FFXIV before launch don't make the same mistake twice.

No, there was no reason to actually believe FFXIV would have any of these, except for lore and storyline. There was never any gameplay video or anything that hinted at dynamic content, combat, extensive voice over or good character creation.

If you chose to believe what the developers said (Tanaka also said the game would not be grindy and that there would be no levels, in case anyone needs to be reminded) when they were showing you nothing to back it up, that's your own problem. I don't know about the Star Wars MMO, but there are hundreds of videos from the Guild Wars 2 demos that show pretty much all of the things the developers have said.

Of course you won't know how the game is until it comes out, but at least they're showing you what they have.

[Grimm]

No, there was no reason to actually believe FFXIV would have any of these, except for lore and storyline. There was never any gameplay video or anything that hinted at dynamic content, combat, extensive voice over or good character creation.

If you chose to believe what the developers said (Tanaka also said the game would not be grindy and that there would be no levels, in case anyone needs to be reminded) when they were showing you nothing to back it up, that's your own problem. I don't know about the Star Wars MMO, but there are hundreds of videos from the Guild Wars 2 demos that show pretty much all of the things the developers have said.

Of course you won't know how the game is until it comes out, but at least they're showing you what they have.

But most people took Tanaka on his word. But going along WarHammer had dynamic content their PQ system and that's what killed the game. Looks are just as deceiving as a devs word.