What is this I don't even...

[Cedri]

My second post:

With this type of article, yes it is going to make it's way back to the fan base forums and there's going to be a lot of fallout from die hard fans. I think I speak for most of us that we feel personally attacked by this article and it's general attitude it conveys toward the hard work and dedication that has been poured into this project.

The reason we're so raw about it is that we want this game to succeed and articles like the one above don't in any way help that cause. This was written and based on alpha/beta content for which all participants are under NDA to avoid things like this making it into the hands of potential future players. Doom it to fail before it even begins in the eyes of the masses and people will not even give it a second thought. Words are a powerful force used to build or destroy reputations.

Open beta starts in phase 4 of the testing process and lasts for 1 or 2 weeks. I invite anyone that has their doubts brought on by this article to try it for themselves before you make a final judgement.

[Abriael]

Love how Ben Kuchera is in full blown damage control mode.

[Firon]

Some of you guys who are saying this game is to similar to other mmo's is really dumb when your a fan of a franchise that makes all of its games similar to each other....... Then on the other hand you got a group full of people who want this to be FF XI-2 so what do you people really want?

[Davorok]

I am quite certain that Yoshi & team are expecting to get feedback on what people like and dislike about the ARR Beta...that's what Betas are for.

I am also quite certain that many of us here on these very forums (well the Beta forums anyway) will be providing some positive feedback but will also complain about some aspects of the game that we feel need more polish or even need to be abolished (like the 3 click quest turn-ins, for example).

The Beta Forums will be very "interesting" if these are the types of reactions any criticisms receive. I still laugh when I go back and read some of the early 1.0 critiques on these forums and how people like myself were told to "GTFO", "maybe this game is not for you", "go play WoW", etc.

I haven't said much on these forums in the last few months but once I start Beta you can bet your last gil that I'm gonna complain about things I don't like and give suggestions for improvement (or I'll just give a "Like" to someone who says it 1st or better).

Have fun with Beta, See ya on the Forums and/or in the Beta and don't forget to give some feedback whether it is positive or negative...that's what betas are for.

[faris]

Meh, Penny Arcade's "reviews" have always been trash.

[Elexia]

Try and break the MMO Mold, people complain.
Stick to MMO traditions, people complain.

Break the mold and fail - People complain.
Stick to MMO traditions and do nothing else but that - people complain.

It's not that black and white, Jynx. FFXI broke the mold by making it feel and play out like an actual RPG despite using EQ as a base, especially in those early days of MMOs, it succeeded. What MMO prior to XI had an actual tangible storyline that played out and felt like an RPG of that era? They all had storylines, but XI streamlined how it was delivered especially if you played any of the early FF games. Fast forward, Tera tried doing something different with gameplay yet the rest stuck the same, what was the ultimate fate of that game? Fast forward even more and SWTOR did something that every MMO should have been doing by now, even better delivery of a storyline, yet it ultimately failed, why?

The second part, sticking to "what works and nothing else" is why a lot of MMOs, mainstream or not, fails because when you load it up you already know the game inside and out. That's good if you dislike relearning things, but it's bad because it's guaranteed you will get bored after doing the initial run of quest chaining. People got bored as hell of GW2 because while it was a fresh take on some stuff, it was ultimate the same game yet again. This is why it's not that black and white, there's always reasons for complaints and it's usually not because of what gimmicks the game brings, it's what lays underneath that causes complaints.

Do you play FPS games? Why do you think despite the "cool to hate on" situation Halo gets it was praised despite being a typical FPS? Same genre underneath, but enough to stand out. This is what MMOs need to do if they decide to "stick to standards."

[Abriael]

Break the mold and fail - People complain.

Breaking the mold for the sake of breaking the mold is between what makes games fail, as they're weighed down by mechanics that simply aren't fun for the sake of writing how original they are on the back of the box. What make a MMORPG good is how fun and community-building it is, now its originality. Traditional elements can be remixed and composed in a myriad of ways, and saying that MMORPGs that include the same elements automatically play or feel the same is disingenuous and simply untrue.

Stick to MMO traditions and do nothing else but that - people complain.

Which doesn't apply to this game, so we're all good.

Do you play FPS games? Why do you think despite the "cool to hate on" situation Halo gets it was praised despite being a typical FPS? Same genre underneath, but enough to stand out. This is what MMOs need to do if they decide to "stick to standards."

And in the meanwhile Call of Duty continues demolishing it in terms of sales and overall success.

[MrKupo]

She is entitled to her opinion. She will be reported for breaking the NDA.

[Elexia]

She is entitled to her opinion. She will be reported for breaking the NDA.

You do realize every media site during the media tour were allowed to post things about it, right? Nothing in NDA was broken, no one spoke of the dungeon content in detail, for example.

[MrKupo]

You do realize every media site during the media tour were allowed to post things about it, right? Nothing in NDA was broken, no one spoke of the dungeon content in detail, for example.

The NDA was broken and that's honestly as far as I can say.
And yes I understand that there is an extensive amount of information released during the media tour for the media to release on their own sites. It's too bad that a lot of information stated was not a part of that Media Tour.