Fishing in ARR

[lvicious]

Ok that's great for someone who wants to casually fish but it just once again seems they are dumbing down fishing overall. Not really sure I get this:

"I think in an MMO world there are a lot of times where you just want to chat with people, you are waiting on friends, or you don’t really have enough time to craft and gather. During these times we feel it would be great for anyone to be able to easily change to the fisherman class, head to a nearby pond and start fishing."

So if they don't have time to do bot or mining or craft they have time to equip a rod and travel to a fishing spot and who exactly is going to do that. "hmm you know what I don't wanna level up this other stuff so I'm gonna bust out my rod and go fishing for the hell of it so I can chat and watch tv or whatever"

Ok.. I get it someone will want to just chill out and enjoy the view.. that's great then for this but what about the rest of us?

I guess what I'm asking is.. is there going to be a serious side to fishing because this isn't it and this is not what I want in fishing.. at all. I keep reading these updates and basically what I see is what Yoshi wants and what Yoshi thinks is best for fishing.

Can someone point me to the player poll Yoshi took that says fishing should be the equivalent of laying in bed talking on the phone.

[LlenCoram]

Ok that's great for someone who wants to casually fish but it just once again seems they are dumbing down fishing overall. Not really sure I get this:

"I think in an MMO world there are a lot of times where you just want to chat with people, you are waiting on friends, or you don’t really have enough time to craft and gather. During these times we feel it would be great for anyone to be able to easily change to the fisherman class, head to a nearby pond and start fishing."

So if they don't have time to do bot or mining or craft they have time to equip a rod and travel to a fishing spot and who exactly is going to do that. "hmm you know what I don't wanna level up this other stuff so I'm gonna bust out my rod and go fishing for the hell of it so I can chat and watch tv or whatever"

Ok.. I get it someone will want to just chill out and enjoy the view.. that's great then for this but what about the rest of us?

I guess what I'm asking is.. is there going to be a serious side to fishing because this isn't it and this is not what I want in fishing.. at all. I keep reading these updates and basically what I see is what Yoshi wants and what Yoshi thinks is best for fishing.

Can someone point me to the player poll Yoshi took that says fishing should be the equivalent of laying in bed talking on the phone.

This is still my concern as well. The mindset that fishing should be the thing people do instead of standing/sitting idle on the steps in Ul'dah is depressing and insulting. I'm a touch more hopeful than before, since temperature of the water might be something interesting, but... yeah. We'll see I guess.

It does feel like he's completely ignoring the player poll he did though. We wanted more content. Not the complete gutting of the class.

Orophin, it was posted in the Live Letter V thread. It's been fully translated, and that was one of the questions.

[Orophin]

Orophin, it was posted in the Live Letter V thread. It's been fully translated, and that was one of the questions.

Thanks, I didn't read over that this morning. I knew the first paragraph looked word for word the same but I couldn't remember the bit about the water temperature being mentioned before.

[GinTama]

my guess their thoughts were "complex minigames dont stop botting, so lets just make it simple as possible"

[Shougun]

my guess their thoughts were "complex minigames dont stop botting, so lets just make it simple as possible"

People who dont like gathering and just want to get it done I think will like that but I think its a horrible idea lol

I'd prefer an immersive experience that has a minigame that relates to the activity.

Then like the battle classes who are supposed to be designed to be fun and to their job, the crafting and gathering are designed similarly. If you dont like playing GLD you dont play GLD, so if you dont want to learn how to play Fisher you dont play Fisher - I dont like the idea "Well I need fish for my cooker but I hate having to learn how to do this so make it easy so I can do it quickly and trivilize the other Fishers ability".

Like I hate tanking so make tanking easy because I want to be able to do everything.

Well, how about you dont do everything lol. (General "you" statements, not actually directed at you Gin )

[LlenCoram]

People who dont like gathering and just want to get it done I think will like that but I think its a horrible idea lol

I'd prefer an immersive experience that has a minigame that relates to the activity.

Then like the battle classes who are supposed to be designed to be fun and to their job, the crafting and gathering are designed similarly. If you dont like playing GLD you dont play GLD, so if you dont want to learn how to play Fisher you dont play Fisher - I dont like the idea "Well I need fish for my cooker but I hate having to learn how to do this so make it easy so I can do it quickly and trivilize the other Fishers ability".

Like I hate tanking so make tanking easy because I want to be able to do everything.

Well, how about you dont do everything lol. (General "you" statements, not actually directed at you Gin )

My thoughts exactly. I can understand changing it so gathering/crafting classes aren't a part of the main storyline anymore, but Yoshi went too far with the dumbing down. Not everything has to be accessible to everyone. Some people will not like any system, no matter how easy it is, and there's nothing that can change that. Instead of trying to cater to them, why not cater to the people who genuinely like the class.

[Akubikumo]

Instead of trying to cater to them, why not cater to the people who genuinely like the class.

I'm right there with you on this. I'm lost as to why they want to attract people who don't like gathering in the first place. But then, it seems that there are actually people who gather for reasons other than because they like it, and i guess we should accept them as part of the equation....?

[Rex]

I am okay and not okay with this situation.

I know that a part of me is not okay with it because I was actually somewhat disappointed when I first read the translation.

However, I am okay with it because it brings back memories of XI (though I could just go log on now if I want to...)

But...from the sound of it, even XI had a more dynamic fishing system than what is going to happen to XIV's fishing system. the fishing in 1.0 was more complex than XI's...now it seems XI's is more complex than ARR.


This isn't a HUGE impact on me. I enjoy Fishing, and there are days where I'm busy, but I really want to just enjoy the scenery and sound and ambience of the game in my apartment. So on those days where I just want to chill out, I can see myself just fishing away.

I'll be okay with this.

[Nix]

I'm so glad this thread is going strong; thank you everyone for your input, please continue to share and be awesome!

@ Rex I feel you there, but even in my relaxing times I still want something 'fun' not something that feels...mindnumbing><.
In XI I was a fish-a-holic, on my days from work I could easily spend 10h fishing and doing nothing but fishing, I almost sliced bluetails to extinction so I could continue to get marlins for 'inside the belly' haha

I don't mind a fishing system that is more akin to XI if they are so dead-set on changing everything, but I can't see myself liking something that they're trying to tailor to those who detest gathering><

@Llen + Aku - I really understand where you guys are coming from and acho your sentiments 100%!! I look forward to trying fishing in 2.0, but at the same time I think I dread it more. From the translation it sounds as if it's just going to be the shell of what it once was ; ;

[Rex]

I'm so glad this thread is going strong; thank you everyone for your input, please continue to share and be awesome!

@ Rex I feel you there, but even in my relaxing times I still want something 'fun' not something that feels...mindnumbing><.
In XI I was a fish-a-holic, on my days from work I could easily spend 10h fishing and doing nothing but fishing, I almost sliced bluetails to extinction so I could continue to get marlins for 'inside the belly' haha

I don't mind a fishing system that is more akin to XI if they are so dead-set on changing everything, but I can't see myself liking something that they're trying to tailor to those who detest gathering><

I agree, it should be fun and I'd be happy with an XI style system more than a mind numbing system.

Well, just make sure you have great bait/rods/gear! ;p