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[Silversnow]

This.. Without offenses but the major player base in this forum just played XI-XIV , and doesn't know the importance (commercial speaking) of PvP in nowadays MMO...

The problem with pvp is that there isn't a single mmo out that pvp hasn't caused detrimental changes to pve. Mmo forums are filled with after the fact apologies by devs who at first promised that pvp would have no impact.

XI has pvp yet tons of people have yet to flock to that game specifically for its pvp so those that say its a MUST are being a bit exaggerated in its importance. Yoshi may like pvp but he can't just slam it into the game and make it a pillar of the game without killing the pve that makes final fantasy what it is. We will get it but its not going to satisfy any "hardcore" pvpers in a way that they won't complain very vocally about.

Don't mind pvp but it has this nasty habit of feature creeps that end up ruining the pve. Worst part is that they don't seem to care about that and want shoulder in more pve changes for the sake of pvp.

[HiirNoivl]

The problem with pvp is that there isn't a single mmo out that pvp hasn't caused detrimental changes to pve. Mmo forums are filled with after the fact apologies by devs who at first promised that pvp would have no impact.

Wait what? Why would anyone make PvP have no impact on the game? No matter what you introduce to the game it's going to have an impact. If you introduce something that has no impact, then why waste development time on it? And There's no game with effective PvP that didn't ruin PvE? Then what games are people playing RN? I know that the game I'm currently playing allows you to accept challenges from individuals and get winnings (or not if no wagers are placed) on a completely Open World basis and I think it's awesome. The entire ranking system is based on a running tally of who does better at the game... so even the PvE is PvP.

Don't mind pvp but it has this nasty habit of feature creeps that end up ruining the pve. Worst part is that they don't seem to care about that and want shoulder in more pve changes for the sake of pvp.

It seems like people are so scared that PvP will "nerf" and/or ruin PvE play. It's true that there are ways to do that, but the ways to avoid that are so obvious that you'd have to be a dummy to mess that up. (I'm looking at YOU, GW2) But since PvP has already been announced, then it's already impacting the game, and PvE is already being adapted to it. This ship has sailed, Silversnow.

I would like it to be in the launch because that's where the game's ranking on the Non-FF sites comes from. The ranking doesn't come from patches... it comes from the launch. Once people see that FFXIV has no PvP at launch, the will ignore the game regardless of the other patches. I hope that Yoshi understands this now. People no longer follow FFXIV...