I agree Forgo, I think FF is the exception to the, MUST have PVP, FFXI was a great example of that. Yes, I did it when I was bored out of my gourd, but it was never anything that I looked forward to. As with all things this is my personal opinion I certainly don't think they should delay beta release to implement PVP, nor do I think that's was a huge reason 1.0 failed. PVP is not fundamental to FF that's why Yoshi-p has not focused on it. Give it time it'll come around.