Make Classes Cap at 30 and Job Stones have Job Levels

[fusional]

Classes are useless. This is the truth.

oh, well i guess since you say so it *must* be true

meanwhile... thm ends up being vital for sub-10 minute darnus hard kills, and an excellent safety net for 1 whm ifrit extreme groups

and completely aside from that, you're quite clearly missing the bigger picture. though people have touched on the big picture often enough now that if you're still not seeing it, any further attempts to explain the class-to-job concept would be wasted

in the end you're just going to repeat the "well classes are useless" line and say it's true based on your own personal experience

[Deronguerra]

I can get stupider reading these threadz. Moar!

[MuCephei]

...Or you could accept the fact that this game has both an armory and a job system, and instead urge the developers to make each system distinctly different from each other, use different game mechanics, and be equal in power to each other to enhance player customization. Then, revamp whatever tutorial ARR has to support each armory/job mechanic and make it to where people stop automatically coming to the conclusion that jobs > professions.

Making the Pugilist and Monk completely different character archetypes that fit their respective lores, for example. Hired thug and bar fighter does NOT equal meditating spiritualist from the mountains. Give both systems different animation patterns, exclusive skills and alternate forms of existing skills, and add a questline with a plot that adequately explains why a bar fighter becomes a monk. The current quest does not count. Archaeology doesn't magically give bar fighters the ability to become a full-fledged black belt in a spiritualist kung fu-esque martial art.

This ^

Everything about this post is ++++++!

I was trying to make this apparent to the people on the "Removing elemental nukes from WHM" thread, but I am not very good with words.

[Destinova]

I would say no due to the fact if it is capped at 30 you can not have skills from other classes if you don't want to play as a job. Other than that you can just say once I get my Job the classes is capped at 30 and you will never know the difference.

[Quesse]

How about just fix classes and make them meaningful.

[Elexia]

Another attempt to destroy classes. This is getting ridiculous. This would become far more convoluted and doesn't offer the chance to make a build for solo play.

Also, people have already leveled their conjurers to 50.

Let's be real, classes in the form they tried to make work didn't work at all and it honestly would have been better in the form the OP talked about.

It is a remade game so in reality they could do anything they want. People may have leveled to 50 but guess what? SE isn't targetting the 13-18k ish people who stuck around with FFXIV, they want a bigger slice of the pie of people who never touched XIV or they wouldn't be remaking XIV into ARR. If they ever did something that major it wouldn't have affected their targeted audience one bit.

The job system honestly fixed a lot what was wrong with the game class wise, so while they wouldn't do this specifically, a major change like this would actually work pretty well as it would be somewhat reminiscent of Final Fantasy Tactics.

How about just fix classes and make them meaningful.

That would negate the purpose of jobs. Why unlock jobs when you can just use classes? You can't say "options" because most, as proven by 1.0, will go the easiest route possible.

[PSxpert2011]

Oh for the goodness sake of the Twelve! ... no level cap! v.v*

Classes have their use, if you don't like them then don't but I should request to lift all ability restrictions with classes so casuals w/o jobs can custom themselves when soloing. That is all!

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[Kirito]

MAR's are better for soloing until they get steel cyclone so it may be difficult for someone who is leveling their WAR to reach the level that steel cyclone is available. I imagine there are other such issues for some of the other classes too so they shouldn't just get rid of the lvl for MAR past lvl 30. Plus there is no harm in keeping the system how it is? It gives us more freedom since if we want to just play as MAR and never even touch WAR, we can or if we want to pretend our character has ranked up into a WAR and never fight as MAR again, we can do so also.

[Elexia]

MAR's are better for soloing until they get steel cyclone so it may be difficult for someone who is leveling their WAR to reach the level that steel cyclone is available. I imagine there are other such issues for some of the other classes too so they shouldn't just get rid of the lvl for MAR past lvl 30. Plus there is no harm in keeping the system how it is? It gives us more freedom since if we want to just play as MAR and never even touch WAR, we can or if we want to pretend our character has ranked up into a WAR and never fight as MAR again, we can do so also.

The only harm is they put themselves into a corner in how to make class/job additions. They realistically can't add a new class everytime they want to add a new job. Look at the other job based FF games, while some jobs "repeat" there's enough different about them they can actually be their own job, XI in particular. You have WHM/RDM/SCH/BLU who can all use curative spells natively but they do in their own way. Break it down you then have RDM which can use swords/daggers for meleeing, SCH which can also use Black Magic effectively and you have BLU which can use swords, monster abilities and even debuff mobs in ways no other class can, i.e attribute down, terrorize, plague, straight attack/defense/accuracy down (not as a % like bio/dia/blind) etc.

Flip it around to XIV, you have the base classes that can do what they do and pull from other classes but what's the main issue? A Gladiator will always use a Sword, a Conjurer always a wand/staff, a Thaumaturge always a scepter/staff, a lancer always a polearm, an archer always a bow, a marauder a greataxe and a pugilist always using hand-to-hand. So they'd have to introduce jobs onto them in a weird way that changes how they've always been.

Some say "change is good" but really, we know 'Red Mage', 'Scholar', 'Blue Mage', 'Dragoon' and 'Dancer' as an example for how they've always been in the Final Fantasy games. Rarely do they have radical changes to them that we can say: "Well, RDM can pull off of Gladiator!" RDM has always been a mage that could use swords, daggers and clubs, but if they pulled from GLA, they'd only have swords. They would have to introduce classes in order to properly introduce new jobs, which is why, not 100% the way the OP states it, but having the classes "capped" then job stones changing the class into that specific role would have been better, especially if it unlocks the ability to use multiple weapons.

XI has spoiled the way the FF jobs could work because you weren't limited by the only weapon, you could use many weapons but you had a specialized weapon, e.g Samurai uses Great Katana but can destroy mobs with a polearm no problem and a Warrior can use every weapon but uses Great Axes as it's specialized weapon. Hell, even Dragoon in older FF games could use Swords and can in XI as well but polearm is is their signature weapon. The only true problem with the "freedom" is you're not really free, like freedom of speech.