I sort of wish players could only choose one job.

[Pandemonium]

If you want to have only one job, restrict Y O U R S E L F to only one job.

/fixed

[Zumi]

If you want to have only one job, restrict Y O U R S E L F to only one job.

/fixed

Doesn't work like that when the game forces you to level almost every other job for cross class abilities, to even play your class optimally.

[Tonkra]

Doesn't work like that when the game forces you to level almost every other job for cross class abilities, to even play your class optimally.

better do it like thousand other MMorpgs? hell no!

then you have again your thousand anonymous twink chars to which you cant identify yourself anymore... cant believe that anyone is against a jobchange system... really..


its the best what FF14 offers. some people are insane ^^

[KyahAlmasy]

better do it like thousand other MMorpgs? hell no!

then you have again your thousand anonymous twink chars to which you cant identify yourself anymore... cant believe that anyone is against a jobchange system... really..


its the best what FF14 offers. some people are insane ^^

That doesn't make any sense. Why would having an alt have anything to do with the identity of your main?

In having only one job, you could focus purely on building your character around that job, and excel at it without the distractions of having to level and learn other jobs. And if anything it would only serve to cater to your identity because people wouldn't always be asking you "do you have so-and-so job leveled?" you would be needed for the job YOU want to main. People would know you as Tonkra, the white mage.

And I'm not against it, I know why the game has the job changing feature and I'm glad it has it but in terms of immersion I don't like.

[Duelle]

That doesn't make any sense. Why would having an alt have anything to do with the identity of your main?

This is a good point. On a concept level alts don't take anything from your main character. Sure, on a gameplay level there are elements you'd have to do over on separate characters. I mean, if you don't care for any dimension of lolRP, then yeah switching hats and all that comes with it is win. When you become attached to your character concepts, switching hats goes entirely against what you write for your characters and can be a bit of an annoyance, especially when the game in questions is entirely niche-based.

[Nix]

And I'm not against it, I know why the game has the job changing feature and I'm glad it has it but in terms of immersion I don't like.

We could swing this the other way though in terms of immersion.

In real life, I have many talents.
I'm a wizard in the kitchen, you name it I can bake it.
I can ride horses, play instruments and even a mean game of tennis.

Why does it ruin immersion to have many talents ingame too? o_o.
It would suck if my life was defined by one of the things I do well, hell I'd be stuck in the kitchen forever. (inb4 sexist 'well you shouldn't be out of it jokes' lol)

If anything I find it flattering to your character's prowess if they can master many things without being forced into one little pidgeonhole D:

As for changing hats or whatever and suddenly having a different skillset:

Do you ride horses with scuba gear on?

Do you bake cookies while wearing plate armor? D:

Dressing for the occasion never hurt !

[KyahAlmasy]

We could swing this the other way though in terms of immersion.

In real life, I have many talents.
I'm a wizard in the kitchen, you name it I can bake it.
I can ride horses, play instruments and even a mean game of tennis.

Why does it ruin immersion to have many talents ingame too? o_o.
It would suck if my life was defined by one of the things I do well, hell I'd be stuck in the kitchen forever. (inb4 sexist 'well you shouldn't be out of it jokes' lol)

If anything I find it flattering to your character's prowess if they can master many things without being forced into one little pidgeonhole D:

As for changing hats or whatever and suddenly having a different skillset:

Do you ride horses with scuba gear on?

Do you bake cookies while wearing plate armor? D:

Dressing for the occasion never hurt !

I think I start to feel a little disconnected to FFXIV when my tank changes out of his plated armor and into a dress. And if we are going to split hairs let me point out that learning how to bake, play tennis, and ride horses aren't exactly difficult things to learn in comparison to what our characters endure to level a job. I can say this because I actually work in a Bakery, my mother owns horses, and I played tennis in high school.

I mean, how likely is it to meet someone who is an expert at everything? Because that's exactly what our characters in FFXIV are made out to be. If I were to try to make a correlation in real life, it would be like someone attending college and getting a masters degree in everything. Is it cool to play a character who excels in everything? Definitely! Realistic? I don't think so.


It's this that ruins my immersion, when I was playing FXIV I felt like I could actually feel reality warping to suit the needs, desires, and actions of my character when she began to quest for a new job. Is tjis job restricted only to the best, to a certain gender, or to a certain type of person? Regardless, my character was will be able to get in, on account of her incredible skills/communication, etc. My character is the only one who is able to fix things, because the things get fixed in response to her.

It is like challenges of taking on that job to the typical person in the game has a 'blurry' sense, as if it has been shunted aside, like experience, central themes, etc. in favor of the character. I mean, we often do we see NPCs change their job entirely with little to nothing suggesting that they had any experience with it. It's as if... oh, something doesn't really exist until we come in contact with it. It's gotten to the point that our character could go into a field and grab a cup and a box of cookies, yet you really had no idea they were there, til she makes them appear. Is it likely that these things may have occurred to a character in that world for one of these jobs, probably. All of them? I highly doubt it.

Essentially, our characters have been molded into "Mary-sues" who are always in the right place at the right time. I would rather play a character who took on a realistic amount of challenges, with reasonable difficulty so that when I finally achieved my goal I would really feel like I've earned it. Not like it was handed to me with little effort on my part to cater to convenience.

Even in FFXIV the NPC's are shocked at how our character seems to innately pick up a job with such ease, despite how their background would suggest that they spent their entire life training and working to get where our characters are in only a few days. And I want to remind you that I'm not going trying to say that you're wrong, or that my opinion is somehow better, I'm merely pointing out why I feel the way I do.

[Kallera]

I think I start to feel a little disconnected to FFXIV when my tank changes out of his plated armor and into a dress. And if we are going to split hairs let me point out that learning how to bake, play tennis, and ride horses aren't exactly difficult things to learn in comparison to what our characters endure to level a job. I can say this because I actually work in a Bakery, my mother owns horses, and I played tennis in high school.

I mean, how likely is it to meet someone who is an expert at everything? Because that's exactly what our characters in FFXIV are made out to be. If I were to try to make a correlation in real life, it would be like someone attending college and getting a masters degree in everything. Is it cool to play a character who excels in everything? Definitely! Realistic? I don't think so.


It's this that ruins my immersion, when I was playing FXIV I felt like I could actually feel reality warping to suit the needs, desires, and actions of my character. Is a certain job restricted only to the best, to a certain gender, or to a certain type of person? Regardless, my character was will be able to get in, on account of her incredible skills/communication, etc. My character is the only one who is able to fix things, because the things get fixed in response to her. It is like challenges of taking on that job to the typical person in the game has a 'blurry' sense, as if it has been shunted aside, like experience, central themes, etc. in favor of the character. It's as if... oh, something doesn't really exist until we come in contact with it. It's gotten to the point that our character could go into a field and grab a cup and a box of cookies, yet you really had no idea they were there, til she makes them appear. Is it likely that these things may have occurred to a character in that world for one of these jobs, probably. All of them? I highly doubt it.

Essentially, our characters have been molded into "Mary-sues" who are always in the right place at the right time. I would rather play a character who took on a realistic amount of challenges, with reasonable difficulty so that when I finally achieved my goal I would really feel like I've earned it. Not like it was handed to me with little effort on my part. For example: The Sue goes into the kitchen and grabs a cup and a box of cookies, yet you really had no idea that she was in a room, in a house, in a place with access to cookies til she makes them appear.

Even in FFXIV the NPC's are shocked at how our character seems to innately pick up a job with such ease, despite how their background would suggest that they spent their entire life training and working to get where our characters are in only a few days. And I want to remind you that I'm not going trying to say that you're wrong, or that my opinion is somehow better, I'm merely pointing out why I feel the way I do.

No one is forcing you to help others or be helpful in turn with the way things are now. But instead you want to force uselessness on everyone else. Unless you are going to pad out the exp bar to absurd levels, of course it won't resemble the skill progression of real life. But only time and effort keep you from getting better at a task. Or do you want aging to occur in game too?

[LlenCoram]

I think I start to feel a little disconnected to FFXIV when my tank changes out of his plated armor and into a dress. And if we are going to split hairs let me point out that learning how to bake, play tennis, and ride horses aren't exactly difficult things to learn in comparison to what our characters endure to level a job. I can say this because I actually work in a Bakery, my mother owns horses, and I played tennis in high school.

I mean, how likely is it to meet someone who is an expert at everything? Because that's exactly what our characters in FFXIV are made out to be. If I were to try to make a correlation in real life, it would be like someone attending college and getting a masters degree in everything. Is it cool to play a character who excels in everything? Definitely! Realistic? I don't think so.


It's this that ruins my immersion, when I was playing FXIV I felt like I could actually feel reality warping to suit the needs, desires, and actions of my character when she began to quest for a new job. Is tjis job restricted only to the best, to a certain gender, or to a certain type of person? Regardless, my character was will be able to get in, on account of her incredible skills/communication, etc. My character is the only one who is able to fix things, because the things get fixed in response to her.

It is like challenges of taking on that job to the typical person in the game has a 'blurry' sense, as if it has been shunted aside, like experience, central themes, etc. in favor of the character. I mean, we often do we see NPCs change their job entirely with little to nothing suggesting that they had any experience with it. It's as if... oh, something doesn't really exist until we come in contact with it. It's gotten to the point that our character could go into a field and grab a cup and a box of cookies, yet you really had no idea they were there, til she makes them appear. Is it likely that these things may have occurred to a character in that world for one of these jobs, probably. All of them? I highly doubt it.

Essentially, our characters have been molded into "Mary-sues" who are always in the right place at the right time. I would rather play a character who took on a realistic amount of challenges, with reasonable difficulty so that when I finally achieved my goal I would really feel like I've earned it. Not like it was handed to me with little effort on my part to cater to convenience.

Even in FFXIV the NPC's are shocked at how our character seems to innately pick up a job with such ease, despite how their background would suggest that they spent their entire life training and working to get where our characters are in only a few days. And I want to remind you that I'm not going trying to say that you're wrong, or that my opinion is somehow better, I'm merely pointing out why I feel the way I do.

What you want is easily achieved in the game now. Very simply, don't play other classes. Make your character, choose a class, and only play that one class. Done. That way you get your prefered way to play, and you don't gimp the rest of us into playing YOUR version of the game.

I'm sure you'll argue that it's impossible to only play one class, but it's really not. Some will ask you to play a certain class, others will require it, but who cares. Play the game your way. In return, let us play the game our way.

[Laume]

I mean, how likely is it to meet someone who is an expert at everything? Because that's exactly what our characters in FFXIV are made out to be. If I were to try to make a correlation in real life, it would be like someone attending college and getting a masters degree in everything. Is it cool to play a character who excels in everything? Definitely! Realistic? I don't think so.

I do feel that I need to point out somethings. I have a friend who's mother has 7 master's degree. I have a friend who reads newspapers in 5 languages (english, chinese, japanese, korean and I think french was the last one.) every morning (he works in animation, not linguistics.). I, myself know 3 languages, taken 3 forms of martial arts, cooks traditional chinese cuisine well (yes, including the complicated stuff. I'd do hong-kong style bbq too if I had the oven.), do art, programming (c++, java, php, perl and shell scripting.) and run my own server (meaning, I do server administrations, write the software and handle the dns, designed and made the webpage, etc).


I think what you're forgetting is that it isn't realistic that someone can do everything perfect, it's that this is condensed, sped-up version of reality. Well, let me get my "things to note" written before I get into that.

1) Although npc is "surprised" at how fast we're picking things up, that's just the way RPG's dialogues are written. A hold back to the single player rpg days where you are the ONLY heroes of the land. Even if you started a quest 3 years ago and finished it just now so you can cast regen, they're still going to say how "fast" you're picking it up. I propse we don't blame the job system for that.
TLDR: NPC's are impressed by anything.

2) Our characters don't need to eat, sleep, use restroom, or even take a break from running across a continent for days on end. That and adding the compressed time our characters are in, that's a LOT more time than we, as regular humans, have. If you, let's say, lived 5~10x longer than you do now. Or, conversely, you lived the same life span as everyone else but you move and learn 5~10x faster. To the rest of humanity, it would seem like you've mastered everything as well, after a point.
TLDR: Our characters live in a compressed time AND don't need to stop for anything.

3) Due to reason 1 (npc's are impressed at everything we do) the "feats" we have done isn't akin to getting a masters, more like surviving a war having done 10 valiant deeds and won. Why is this important? A masters or phd HAS to take years. But what our characters have their reputations risen due to won battles, which can literally happen within a span of 6 months or so (yes, you can get a job's quests done in a few days. But that's probably a few months in eozerea time). Plus, to the NPC's we did all this on our first try. But in reality, we've died a dozen times, sometimes, to beat a fight. If I saw an immortal (but didn't know [s]he was) slaughtered an entire army by him/herself, I'd praise his/her name too.
TLDR: The "mastery" and "feats" we do in game aren't as insurmountable as the npc's seem to think.

4)If you (you, in the general term. Not you, Kyah, specifically) play this game like a casual player (no power levels, no LS giving you items to hasten crafting skills. No getting ran through dungeons to complete quests by way more experienced and better geared people. Walkthroughs to tell you exactly what you need to do, but figuring it yourself instead, etc.), you wouldn't have had time to get all your jobs and crafts to 50 and complete all the quests. My wife and I only were able to play on and off and the most I've gotten done is drg,whm and blm to 50. (I did get ran through a lot of blm's quest). Cooking to 30+. Harvesting and mining to 45+ (and a few subjobs). She only got mnk to 50, all crafts except cooking and alchemy to 43. The people that got all their jobs and crafts and stuff to 50 either spend a lot of rl time or got a lot of help (or a mixture of the two). Again, I wouldn't blame the job system for this.
TLDR: Some players spent a lot of time or got a lot of help or both.




So none of the above points by themselves explain why all this seems "unrealistic". But when put together (some bars lowered and other rates of things increased), you can see how these things, although unrealistic to normal people, is still in the realm of possibility, even in the real world, if certain criteria are met. None of which, are the job system.

TLDR: There are amazing people out there (I'm not saying I'm one of them). Just because you or I couldn't do it personally, doesn't make it unrealistic. The game is running under certain conditions that, even in real life, "mastering" everything would be possible is someone had the inclination. None of which is a fault of the job system.


P.S. I've seen people use "chi" to blow out candles behind a barrier. Shaolin monks bend and break spears in half by having them ran into their necks. There's also this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPM8OR6W6WE
Which, if you sent back 30 years in time, would be considered a) impossible. b) alien technology/witch craft. As the famous Shakespeare line goes "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, then are dreamt of in your philosophies.".