The end game grindfest to get these items is one of the things I hate about all mmos. I like to be able to look around and see what's happening but anytime I get the opportunity to go into a dungeon or something, it's my first time there and everyone elses 1000th time there. So while I'm trying to get a feel for the place and actually get to see what it looks like, everyone is down the tunnel fighting. Heaven forbid I get to watch a CS the first time it plays.