Quick Poll on Microphones

[SkyeWindbinder]

no, it's looking realistically at an ever-increasing requirement for timing and coordination in battle content with an ever-increasing degree of environmental hazards, movement elements and general difficulty. fights in modern MMOs aren't like fights in XI. you generally can't just read chat and react accordingly strictly on your own.

imagine in pro football you have a quarterback barking plays and audibles to his team at the line of scrimmage. the defense isn't forced to appoint a linebacker to talk to his team and tell them where to go or what to do, but if they don't- they're at a severe disadvantage and generally can't be as competitive as the team which does.

(and i reference pro sports because they're dead serious about winning)

Really, even with chat, a group can lose horribly. The ability to talk shouldn't matter if the group is bad, and not having a mic shouldn't matter if your group is good. And neither should matter if you're having fun.

[fusional]

Really, even with chat, a group can lose horribly

with godlike gear people can lose. with the most skilled players in the universe, things can still go wrong. does this mean gear doesn't help? does this mean having skill doesn't matter? so what's your point? voice chat is the same. it increases the potential for success by giving the potential for faster, more effective communication. why would anyone even try to argue against that?

I've seen BG's Darnus video and you all say exactly the same things as I do, except I type it: "adjust" "up" "down" "now." It's hardly a barrier between the "dead serious" and the apparently not-so-serious, since I consider Darnus a prime example of environmental hazards, movement elements and general difficulty.

I don't think there's anything wrong with voice chat, but it's not the critical game element you're making it out to be.

oh jesus christ here we go again. "whatever you're no different, it's pretty much the same for us"

that's fine, though. don't consider all the variables in your argument. don't see it objectively. argue from a position of bias because you don't like voice chat. that's cool. i'm not even opening this can of worms.

[SkyeWindbinder]

with godlike gear people can lose. with the most skilled players in the universe, things can still go wrong. does this mean gear doesn't help? does this mean having skill doesn't matter? so what's your point? voice chat is the same. it increases the potential for success by giving the potential for faster, more effective communication. why would anyone even try to argue against that?

I'm not arguing with it as much as I'm saying "It really isn't that big a deal". For instance, I wouldn't kick a person just because they can't voice chat. And really, this game isn't that hard at all. People can get through all the content with no voice chat just fine. Surgical precision isn't really key to making it. So lighten up, lol.

[Dzian]

I use mumble. find it invaluable. you can talk and fight at the same time. in 1.0 if you were typing you werent fighting. i imagine 2.0 wouldnt be much different

[fusional]

I'm not arguing with it as much as I'm saying "It really isn't that big a deal". For instance, I wouldn't kick a person just because they can't voice chat. And really, this game isn't that hard at all. People can get through all the content with no voice chat just fine. Surgical precision isn't really key to making it. So lighten up, lol.

if people are running content that doesn't require surgical precision, they likely aren't very serious about raiding. so my point still stands. furthermore, arguing that most content in this game isn't terribly hard doesn't detract from my point whatsoever, either, as "serious about raiding" and "easy/casual content" don't really correlate.

i also never qualified that my "serious about raiding" comment as specifically relating to FFXIV. in fact, i generalized with "modern MMOs" giving us context outside of FFXIV and it's largely easy battle content. most modern MMOs have far more difficult content than anything we've seen in XIV, and more competition within their communities. additionally, modern MMOs generally aren't as heavily chat-based as XI/XIV. this makes voice chat mostly essential if you're serious about getting the hard stuff done.

[SkyeWindbinder]

if people are running content that doesn't require surgical precision, they likely aren't very serious about raiding.

OR they're playing a game like Final Fantasy XIV, in which surgical precision is not really needed in even the hardest content.

so my point still stands. furthermore, arguing that most content in this game isn't terribly hard doesn't detract from my point whatsoever, either, as "serious about raiding" and "easy/casual content" don't really correlate.

See: Above post.

i also never qualified that my "serious about raiding" comment as specifically relating to FFXIV. in fact, i generalized with "modern MMOs" giving us context outside of FFXIV and it's largely easy battle content. most modern MMOs have far more difficult content than anything we've seen in XIV, and more competition within their communities. this makes voice chat mostly essential if you're serious about getting the hard stuff done.

And MY point is, it's STILL not really that big a deal, unless you're playing for money or something. I'm sorry, but I just never really took raiding all that seriously. Also, if you're having such a huge problem with a raid that you're getting wiped in it over and over chances are it's not the absence of voice chat that's the problem. You need practice. And a plan. And both can be executed without the ability to speak into a microphone and have everyone hear you yell expletives over and over. Yes, I know, it might help make it easier. But my point is, I never took it so serious that I excluded anyone from a group that didn't have voice chat. To be honest, I don't think any game should be taken that seriously, again, unless you're getting paid to do it.

[Lady]

if people are running content that doesn't require surgical precision, they likely aren't very serious about raiding. so my point still stands. furthermore, arguing that most content in this game isn't terribly hard doesn't detract from my point whatsoever, either, as "serious about raiding" and "easy/casual content" don't really correlate.

i also never qualified that my "serious about raiding" comment as specifically relating to FFXIV. in fact, i generalized with "modern MMOs" giving us context outside of FFXIV and it's largely easy battle content. most modern MMOs have far more difficult content than anything we've seen in XIV, and more competition within their communities. additionally, modern MMOs generally aren't as heavily chat-based as XI/XIV. this makes voice chat mostly essential if you're serious about getting the hard stuff done.

Just out of curiousity... is it possible for anyone to have an opinion opposing yours and they not be wrong?

[Almalexia]

oh jesus christ here we go again. "whatever you're no different, it's pretty much the same for us"

that's fine, though. don't consider all the variables in your argument. don't see it objectively. argue from a position of bias because you don't like voice chat. that's cool. i'm not even opening this can of worms.

This is a discussion board. Let's discuss.

I do not think there is anything wrong with voice. I prefer text.
You, on the other hand, not only prefer voice, but believe text is an inferior mode of communication.

I have completed the same trials in FFXIV as you. I have reaped the same rewards as you. I have done it all through text. I imagine you have done it all through voice. We do things differently, yet we achieve the same shit.

So indulge me. Unpack these variables. Describe the objective position to take, since mine is so hopelessly biased in a matter of pure preference.