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[ispano]

What programs has Apple slipped into the iTunes install?

What hardware do they lock down?

How do they treat your hardware as their own?

Apple's own comment on jailbreaking mentions none of this. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3743

1. Safari, MobileMe and there was another. Safari however was the big one because they abused the Security Updates feature of auto installing to push it, so if you had Security Updates set to auto install, you magically ended up with Safari.

2 and 3. All their hardware. They only want you doing what they want you doing with their hardware. It's currently legal to Jailbreak an iPhone, but Apple still tries to stop people from doing it. If someone wants to modify a device they bought, let them. If they go do something illegal beyond that, then Apple can bring the hammer down.

[Altena]

Info on one of the times Apple slipped Safari into the updater, abusing the security update system to push it automatically.

https://windowssecrets.com/patch-wat...ike-it-or-not/

Thousands of other companies do this, and many reside in Windows applications also.

Getting something for nothing isn't necessarily free. Sure it might not cost anything to you directly, but as far as marketing goes, it's pretty open slather.

Why is there such a negative impact when Apple do this also?

[ispano]

I personally haven't seen another company abuse a security update system to do it. Add it to the list and enable it automatically? Yes. But putting something that's not a security update into said security updates to push it to more people unnoticed?

Again, this all boils down to the "other people do it, so it's ok for Apple to" I tend to berate those other companies as well.

[Laraul]

I personally haven't seen another company abuse a security update system to do it. Add it to the list and enable it automatically? Yes. But putting something that's not a security update into said security updates to push it to more people unnoticed?

https://windowssecrets.com/top-story...-with-patches/

Look harder. Everyone's guilty.

And Apple doesn't push it unnoticed. You are prompted to install Safari when software update does an update check on iTunes. Uncheck the box in Software Update, click quit, and you'll never be asked to install Safari again.

[Laraul]

OKAY PLZ STOP NOW!

Really no one cares this is totally off topic. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Love Apple, Hate Apple. Time to move on.

[ispano]

I've seen plenty of Silverlight Security Updates, and IE Security Updates in their Security Updates list. Not the actual program itself. To be fair I had to install Silverlight for a Job I had so I can't say 100% it wasn't there before hand. Sun, oh Sun. I've had Sun JAVA disabled for practically forever due to Sun's antics. And that's the thing, they pushed Safari via a Security Update. It didn't show you a checkbox before it installed it like that Java update does. [EDIT] Ok so they did, but it was fresh software in an Updater, which has no business having an "update" for something you don't even have installed [/EDIT] It just installed it if you had it set to install security updates automatically, when it's not a security update.

Again, these other companies doing similar gives Apple the right to be just as bad? Doesn't give Sun/MS the right either, but it's ok for Apple? Like I said before, I don't pidgeonhole, companies that do this, don't deserve my money. I just see more people saying it's ok for Apple to do it, but not others. No, it's not ok for any of them.

Source of piracy relating to iPhones and their ilk, isn't Jailbreaking. That however is a whole different beast that even less people will listen to so I will leave it at that.

[seuki]

I have the 15.4" RMBP and it handled FFXIV well. But just to be safe, get both.

[Altena]

I've seen plenty of Silverlight Security Updates, and IE Security Updates in their Security Updates list. Not the actual program itself. To be fair I had to install Silverlight for a Job I had so I can't say 100% it wasn't there before hand. Sun, oh Sun. I've had Sun JAVA disabled for practically forever due to Sun's antics. And that's the thing, they pushed Safari via a Security Update. It didn't show you a checkbox before it installed it like that Java update does. It just installed it if you had it set to install security updates automatically, when it's not a security update.

Setting "Windows Auto-Update" does similar wonky stuff. You should turn auto-updates off in both Mac & Windows systems. If what Laraul stated was true - and there was a little checkbox for Safari when doing it manually - then this is perfectly fine. Microsoft is just as guilty of this as Apple.

Again, these other companies doing similar gives Apple the right to be just as bad? Doesn't give Sun/MS the right either, but it's ok for Apple? Like I said before, I don't pidgeonhole, companies that do this, don't deserve my money. I just see more people saying it's ok for Apple to do it, but not others. No, it's not ok for any of them.

Ok so you don't give Microsoft your money either? It is extremely unfair to pigeonhole Apple for doing this, when Microsoft are equally guilty of this.

Remember you are using free software designed by Apple on a Windows based OS. They could be really cruel and not provide iTunes support for Windows if they wanted to.

Source of piracy relating to iPhones and their ilk, isn't Jailbreaking. That however is a whole different beast that even less people will listen to so I will leave it at that.

The following is taken off the support section on the Apple website as posted above.

Apple strongly cautions against installing any software that hacks iOS. It is also important to note that unauthorized modification of iOS is a violation of the iOS end-user software license agreement and because of this, Apple may deny service for an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch that has installed any unauthorized software.

It is in their every right to do this.

[ispano]

Correct, the last money I gave MS was for an original MS Mouse who knows how many years ago. And no, I don't pirate Windows either.

I know about the iOS Terms and EULA. They certainly can't throw you in jail for jailbreaking, and I have no issue with them denying to service a jailbroken device. If you choose to Jailbreak, they can warn you however they wish, however if you still do it, they should have no control over disabling your device or whatnot. Because it's just that, your device. You understand the ramifications of doing it. At least I would hope anyone who does it understands them.

Also, Cruel? Depends who you ask, Many years of general tech support would have been far less painful if there was no iTunes for Windows.

[Laraul]

Happy Valentines Day!