ARR and Mac

[ispano]

Correct, the last money I gave MS was for an original MS Mouse who knows how many years ago. And no, I don't pirate Windows either.

I know about the iOS Terms and EULA. They certainly can't throw you in jail for jailbreaking, and I have no issue with them denying to service a jailbroken device. If you choose to Jailbreak, they can warn you however they wish, however if you still do it, they should have no control over disabling your device or whatnot. Because it's just that, your device. You understand the ramifications of doing it. At least I would hope anyone who does it understands them.

Also, Cruel? Depends who you ask, Many years of general tech support would have been far less painful if there was no iTunes for Windows.

[Altena]

Correct, the last money I gave MS was for an original MS Mouse who knows how many years ago. And no, I don't pirate Windows either.

That is fair enough. I personally am under the impression that if a product does its job well and doesn't break, then the company that created it is worth investing in. Some people have tighter conditions of course though.

I know about the iOS Terms and EULA. They certainly can't throw you in jail for jailbreaking, and I have no issue with them denying to service a jailbroken device. If you choose to Jailbreak, they can warn you however they wish, however if you still do it, they should have no control over disabling your device or whatnot. Because it's just that, your device. You understand the ramifications of doing it. At least I would hope anyone who does it understands them.

Well when agreeing to a terms of use contract, you are agreeing to all elements in that contract. If they list certain aspects with a software (as an example), followed by the repercussions of breaking those terms of use, then yes they can carry those actions out. How harsh the discipline is, is totally the company's choice, as you as a consumer accept these terms.

For example we pay money to SE every month for a game. The physical game may be on our computer, and our characters may be on an account under our name, however if violating the terms of service, they are within their rights to shut down/restrict access to the service or game.

Every company has terms and conditions in place for good reasons, and it is within their rights to act on those terms and conditions. Since Jailbreaking can lead to illegal activity such as piracy, it is totally up to the company how they would act on that. This is not only to protect the applications from being pirated, but to protect themselves from the developers that produce the applications from taking legal action on Apple.

Well that's the way I see it. Take it how you like. They aren't necessarily the devil that a lot of people seem to make them out to be.

Also, Cruel? Depends who you ask, Many years of general tech support would have been far less painful if there was no iTunes for Windows.

Haha true enough, it has been pretty garbage at the best of times, although not to kiss Apple's butt anymore then I already have, as a DJ I can say that their smart folders / playlists are extremely useful when you have thousands of tracks, and need to enter specific conditions quickly.

I also don't see our little chat as an argument, as both opinions have been pretty valid/solid views, and I have actually enjoyed this discussion - unlike some on these forums :P

Happy V-day!