ARR and Mac

[Millerna]

I have several Macs, I just prefer working on them really. I have nothing against Window or Linux, or any other OS.. I use Windows for some games, and Linux on servers for the most part. A computer is just a tool, and some people just prefer certain (brands) of tools.

Apple's laptops aren't actually THAT overpriced considering they are really sturdy (I accidentally dropped my 13" Macbook Air from just below shoulder height, and only got a small dent in the casing, my father's plastic Acer would've shattered).

The Mac Pro's aren't actually overpriced either (as long as you don't by RAM from Apple ...) It's just that usually people compare a Mac Pro to a PC running something like a single quad core intel i7, whereas the Mac Pro has 2 physical Xeon CPU's, which are more expensive. Try building a similar system from other manufacturers with a dual Xeon, and the price difference isn't that bad.

The iMacs on the other hand are really expensive, but a good chunk of the cost is in the display. They're using high quality colour calibrated screens. Generally though, the iMacs are definitely the most expensive when compared to a PC.


On topic: my desktop machine is a 5-ish year old Mac Pro, it's had a RAM upgrade as well as a GPU upgrade during those 5 years. Using bootcamp it runs games just fine, even Skyrim wasn't much of a problem on high settings. FFXIV 1.0 ran fine as well with only some lag in Ul'dah. There's no reason ARR won't run on a Mac running bootcamp, as long as you don't get one with integrated graphics.

[TheRac25]

Buy the one that costs the most. Specs don't matter with Apple, just cost.

"a fool and his money are soon parted". also most animation and editing you see on TV (and elsewhere) at a professional level was done on a PC or high end graphics workstation, claiming that mac owns that market is just ignorant snobbery but i guess thats to be expected from someone trying to defend their asinine purchase

[Joakim]

I ran ARR Alpha on the latest iMac 21,5" using bootcamp and had no problems at all. U can use a USB drive to install windows from or buy apples USB-drive.

I suggest u really open your wallet if u want an iMac with powerful hardware.
The standard editions won't run ARR on full specs!!!

[Laraul]

I am torn between buying the latest 27' iMac vs the 15.4' Macbook pro. I already have the previous generation 27' iMac so if I buy the Macbook Pro, can I use the 27' iMac as my monitor?

You should be able to. Best thing to do would be to drag that iMac down to your local Apple Store and try it yourself. You will need a keyboard hooked into the iMac to press CNTRL-F6 (I beleive that's the shortcut to toggle the iMac as an external display).

Can anyone give me some advice? As the new generation macs don't come with a dvd drive, anyone knows how to install windows on it?

Use a Firewire cable to connect your old iMac to your new one, put the old iMac in target disk mode (hold CMD-T at boot) and use your old computer's CD drive to install Windows from. The new computer will treat all the drives in the old one as external drives.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

hmmmm apple pie... wha.. what are we talking about again? *nom nom apple pie*

[Klefth]

Considering the labor involved in putting a PC together, the cost would eclipse the price of an iMac. Not to mention the cost of a one year parts/labor warranty.

LOL! Wait what? The cost of the labor involved in putting a PC together would eclipse the price of an iMac? I gave it a thought for a moment, but I really can't figure out whatever the fuck are you talking about. O_o Maybe you mean the 30-ish mins tops that it would take to build one having the parts to do it? 'cause, you know... that's not that hard nor does it take that long, so... wtf?

And the cost of a one year warranty on parts? Which, those that sometimes come with lifetime warranties (like some PSUs and EVGA GPUs)? And all of that would eclipse the cost of an incredibly overpriced desktop pc with underpowered laptop parts?

I... I don't even

[Molly_Millions]

I have a MacPro. Not an iMac.

If you can find some low cost Xeon pre-built workstations, I'll be very very impressed.



Considering the labor involved in putting a PC together, the cost would eclipse the price of an iMac. Not to mention the cost of a one year parts/labor warranty.

I know there is nothing I could ever possibly say or do that would make people who don't want to understand understand, so I am obviously not going to try. It's always been like this unfortunately.

Dude, putting a pc together is just a matter of "putting the square peg in the square hole". It's ridiculously easy, and not labor intensive work at all.

[Pseudopsia]

My advice to Mac buyers is to avoid any Macs that only comes with Intel HD 4000 graphics, this applies to PCs as well. 15" Mac book Pro and iMacs are good since they come with Nvidia GT 650M or better.

Below is a chart generated from notebook check that shows the performance differences between GPUs that come with the newer Macs.

Source: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-...ist.844.0.html

[Laraul]

Dude, putting a pc together is just a matter of "putting the square peg in the square hole". It's ridiculously easy, and not labor intensive work at all.

I could say the same about putting an automobile together (except you have to do some wielding). It's a matter of perspective.

Ask yourself if you would build 30 individual PCs for 30 separate individuals? Software and all. How much would you charge on top of parts? How much would you charge for additional maintenance?

And the cost of a one year warranty on parts? Which, those that sometimes come with lifetime warranties (like some PSUs and EVGA GPUs)? And all of that would eclipse the cost of an incredibly overpriced desktop pc with underpowered laptop parts?

Best Buy's "Geek Squad" charges $300 for replacing parts. Labor isn't cheep. If you've ever had a car serviced you'd know this.

[Zenaku]

I have a MacPro. Not an iMac.

If you can find some low cost Xeon pre-built workstations, I'll be very very impressed.



Considering the labor involved in putting a PC together, the cost would eclipse the price of an iMac. Not to mention the cost of a one year parts/labor warranty.

I know there is nothing I could ever possibly say or do that would make people who don't want to understand understand, so I am obviously not going to try. It's always been like this unfortunately.

What are you talking about you know that anyone with half a brain can put a computer together right? I build two computer took me less then 1hour. But if i'm building a 4.000$ computer with water cooling and such which would be the same price as a upgrade imac it would take me 3 hours tops. To make sure the water cooling that is working making sure i put all the cables right and making sure all 4 video cards are working.

Then you download windows on it and you put drivers and you can even stress test it for few hours to make sure it running just fine.

Best Buy's "Geek Squad" charges $300 for replacing parts. Labor isn't cheep. If you've ever had a car serviced you'd know this.

I'm a IT guy and labor would cost me noting becuase i be the one doing the labor. Did you not know people with half a brain can look up youtube videos and learn how to put a computer together? the only hard part would be putting in a CPU which you have to make sure you put it right which is not even hard. The arrow on the cpu and the mobo tell you how to put it then putting the heatsink is simple. If you putting a water cooling you have to put a back plate which take only a few secs.

if i had 4k i would buy all the parts i said in my other post the shipping would not even be that much if i waste my time looking for good deals. it would take me 1-3hours to build a 4.000$ computer with water cooling .