Item Binding

[Seraphe]

So since this has been announced I thought about this.. Still not sure if I like it or not.

A few pages back I could not decide whether I like this or not. I have made up my mind now. I do not like this system for a few reasons.

While this kind of system is preferred by most MMOs you should also notice that the most MMOs go Free to Play these days. Sure it isn't just because they have item binding but I guess it's the little things that restrict the player and therefore the gaming experience once they add up. I've played TERA the last few days, it was generally fun for a short time but one thing made me wonder.. "why are there so many ex items?". Now I've played TERA since the 3rd and thought that this was just their weird way. Then on the 9th this thread popped and I tried to argue with myself that this can be a good system. I couldn't win that argument though. It annoyed the hell out of me in TERA.

I remembered when playing XIV 1.0 that I wasn't able to sell and trade used gear. I could live with the fact that I couldn't sell damaged gear but no trading seemed awkward to me and annoyed me a little. Now you're talking about taking away that aspect of social interaction completely. Wouldn't it be better to come up with a more original idea letting gear disappear?

The materia system was a good way to kill off gear, especially when the item only costs like 10.000 Gil and you're getting a Grade IV materia. I'd take that gamble at any time. If you think that is not enough you should come up with another idea.
Many have mentioned trading in the gear for GC points for example. Also many people seem to like the "dismantle item" feature.

I respect your opinions for "pro item binding", everyone but I have a feeling that this will not be a feature but a restriction to my gameplay experience, and I know many feel that way as well. I didn't want to post until I tested it in the Beta but I think TERA and FFXIV 1.0 (gear dmg -> no trading) helped me to decide on this matter.

[Judge_Xero]

A few pages back I could not decide whether I like this or not. I have made up my mind now. I do not like this system for a few reasons.
Sure it isn't just because they have item binding but I guess it's the little things that restrict the player and therefore the gaming experience once they add up.

I've played TERA since the 3rd and thought that this was just their weird way. Then on the 9th this thread popped and I tried to argue with myself that this can be a good system.
I couldn't win that argument though. It annoyed the hell out of me in TERA.
Now you're talking about taking away that aspect of social interaction completely. Wouldn't it be better to come up with a more original idea than letting gear disappear?
The materia system was a good way to kill off gear, especially when the item only costs like 10.000 Gil and you're getting a Grade IV materia. I'd take that gamble at any time.
Many have mentioned trading in the gear for GC points for example. Also many people seem to like the "dismantle item" feature.
I respect your opinions for "pro item binding", everyone but I have a feeling that this will not be a feature but a restriction to my gameplay experience...

From you playing Tera for the last 8 days. What were the biggest annoyances of not being able to Sell/Trade your bound gear? Was all gear bound, or just the ones equipped?
I can see your concern for the social interaction dissapearing, due to not being able to trade SB'd gear. Would you agree that there is greater or equal social interaction through crafting and trading new gear?
Does Tera have a similar type of crafting system as FFXIV?
The trade for GC points is a great idea. I suppose it would have to be under the condition that it's 100% SB'd, to prevent people from stocking up on GC seals by craft spamming.
It would have to be a reasonable amount too. Lvl 50 GC gear was worth 4-6k seals. So a normal piece of gear could be worth 100? If it could detect Materia by Tier, maybe 1k seals for a T4 Double Meld?
I think the dismantle feature would be the same as just being able to sell the gear. You could just re-craft them and sell the gear. Nothing was removed from circulation, except maybe shards.

[Seraphe]

Hey there, thanks for the response.

From you playing Tera for the last 8 days. What were the biggest annoyances of not being able to Sell/Trade your bound gear? Was all gear bound, or just the ones equipped?

What annoyed me the most in TERA was that I couldn't make money of all my gathered gear, which, as a new player, seemed off to me as I was investing all my money into crafting and felt like I could have done way better if I would be able to sell the stuff I found. I can't say how it'll be in the later levels but as a new player that really annoyed me.

As far as I remember only the items I equipped were bound to me, but I rarely found gear that wasn't for my class. So I was in a ongoing progress of updating my gear, binding every single piece to me.

I can see your concern for the social interaction dissapearing, due to not being able to trade SB'd gear. Would you agree that there is greater or equal social interaction through crafting and trading new gear?

Yes, there certainly is a level of social interaction in creating new gear. It seems, in theory, that the level of social interaction is equal or higher but I think it is not as high as with traded gear. First off, as a crafter I wouldn't carry all the materials to make new gear with me for the rather "unprepared" people in front of a dungeon. Secondly, you will lose that level of trust two players had when exchanging/lending gear to each others. Lastly I'd still have the possibility to create gear for friends/strangers so that will just add up to the trading experience.

Does Tera have a similar type of crafting system as FFXIV?

No, it feels completely different. Instead of "crystals/shards" you use refinement sheets or something like that. But after selecting what you would like to craft it's just
wait till it's done. Also, you could just queue up items and go drink a tea. When you were back you had 30 new robes in your inventory.

The trade for GC points is a great idea. I suppose it would have to be under the condition that it's 100% SB'd, to prevent people from stocking up on GC seals by craft spamming. It would have to be a reasonable amount too. Lvl 50 GC gear was worth 4-6k seals. So a normal piece of gear could be worth 100? If it could detect Materia by Tier, maybe 1k seals for a T4 Double Meld?

I agree there should be a restriction. I also like your suggestion with the detection of higher tier materia. That would make it easier (for me at least) to spend old gear on GC points instead of selling it.

think the dismantle feature would be the same as just being able to sell the gear. You could just re-craft them and sell the gear. Nothing was removed from circulation, except maybe shards.

My idea for dismantling is that there's only a certain chance (I'd imagine 20~25%) that you get all the items out of the weapon/armor. Edit: I wanted to add, that I think that you should be able to either trade the dismantled parts of the weapon in for GC points or you could get something completely different out of the weapon. Something like a "HQ chance increased by 1~2%" item which you could add to any recipe that has a HQ version?

[Judge_Xero]

Hey there, thanks for the response.

Thank you for the reply

What annoyed me the most in TERA was that I couldn't make money of all my gathered gear, which, as a new player, seemed off to me as I was investing all my money into crafting and felt like I could have done way better if I would be able to sell the stuff I found. I can't say how it'll be in the later levels but as a new player that really annoyed me.

So with FFXIV ARR if they plan to make the gear Bound on SB, and not Bound on Equip, then it's possible that you might not be effected by this? Like you, I always equip new gear I've found to compare stats. I hope there is also the option to test them out on training dummies, to compare damage/healing, DOTS etc. That way no EXP to Spirit Bond is accumulated, so that we'll have a chance to sell/trade the gear if it proves not useful. I imagine there will be a lot of low level gear as a reward from quests, so that would be great to have any unused pieces put on the market.

Yes, there certainly is a level of social interaction in creating new gear. It seems, in theory, that the level of social interaction is equal or higher but I think it is not as high as with traded gear. First off, as a crafter I wouldn't carry all the materials to make new gear with me for the rather "unprepared" people in front of a dungeon. Secondly, you will lose that level of trust two players had when exchanging/lending gear to each others. Lastly I'd still have the possibility to create gear for friends/strangers so that will just add up to the trading experience.

You used a very good example here, as being in the field there you probably wont have the required mats to craft gear for an unprepared friend/stranger. How much is this a deal breaker, since in running the dungeon although unprepared, would a party member be appreciative to receive a chest drop? With SE moving away from the random number generator, what is the likelyhood that you could assist in that member getting replacement gear as a drop?

My idea for dismantling is that there's only a certain chance (I'd imagine 20~25%) that you get all the items out of the weapon/armor. Edit: I wanted to add, as a gatherer I think that you should be able to either trade the dismantled parts of the weapon in for GC points or you could get something completely different out of the weapon. Something like a "HQ chance increased by 1~2%" item which you could add to any recipe that has a HQ version?

That's a good idea to not have Dismantling as 100% to get all mats back. It's always good to have options. If I remember correctly, when you meld a piece of materia to gear, it resets the Spirit Bond level back to 0%. So would you be happy to purchase some low level materia with 100% chance to meld a single piece, in order to sell your used gear on the market? Does this create a use for low level materia?

I understand not everyone wants to level a craft in order to meld materia. If it's similar to Version 1, where you required a high enough level and the right craft, in order to meld materia, then that would be an annoyance. Now there was the option to "request" a meld similar to requesting "repairs". If a meld on gear also set the durability back to 100%, so it could be placed on the market, is that reasonable? Or should the gear also need to be repaired as well as melded? Does this add to the importance of crafters?

[Seraphe]

Thank you for the reply

So with FFXIV ARR if they plan to make the gear Bound on SB, and not Bound on Equip, then it's possible that you might not be effected by this? Like you, I always equip new gear I've found to compare stats. I hope there is also the option to test them out on training dummies, to compare damage/healing, DOTS etc. That way no EXP to Spirit Bond is accumulated, so that we'll have a chance to sell/trade the gear if it proves not useful. I imagine there will be a lot of low level gear as a reward from quests, so that would be great to have any unused pieces put on the market.

Unfortunately my gaming experience will still be affected by this. Imagine you're in a Ifrit Party with me and I have no earrings as PLD. You decide to lend me your earrings with fire resistance so I don't die off Inferno or something. [just an example :3] That wont be possible and that's the part that annoys me. I wouldn't need training dummies etc as I usually know what I'm buying. It wouldn't hurt to add them though.

You used a very good example here, as being in the field there you probably wont have the required mats to craft gear for an unprepared friend/stranger. How much is this a deal breaker, since in running the dungeon although unprepared, would a party member be appreciative to receive a chest drop? With SE moving away from the random number generator, what is the likelyhood that you could assist in that member getting replacement gear as a drop?

He would appreciate that, sure. But again, the same would apply with traded equipment. We'd have an easier time to finish the dungeon and he could still loot on that chest drop for better gear. I had a feeling that random parties could use every kind of assistance they could get from other players, including gear trading or they wouldn't be able to reach said chests. This applies to hard story quests as well.

That's a good idea to not have Dismantling as 100% to get all mats back. It's always good to have options. If I remember correctly, when you meld a piece of materia to gear, it resets the Spirit Bond level back to 0%. So would you be happy to purchase some low level materia with 100% chance to meld a single piece, in order to sell your used gear on the market? Does this create a use for low level materia?

We'll see if the Spiritbond (+Soulbind) resets when adding materia in ARR. This would work when selling items, yes. It would indeed create a use for low level materia.

I understand not everyone wants to level a craft in order to meld materia. If it's similar to Version 1, where you required a high enough level and the right craft, in order to meld materia, then that would be an annoyance. Now there was the option to "request" a meld similar to requesting "repairs". If a meld on gear also set the durability back to 100%, so it could be placed on the market, is that reasonable? Or should the gear also need to be repaired as well as melded? Does this add to the importance of crafters?

If this Item Binding persists I wouldn't mind doing/requesting repairs and melding (if that resets SoulB & SpiritB that is).