Necromancer: Discussion of the dead

[KoujiGeki]

This is the issue I was trying to point out, Arcanist has already been the focus group for dot based combat, and its summoner job.

Arcanist is going to be a Debuffer not a DoT class there is a difference.

[Duuude007]

Arcanist is going to be a Debuffer not a DoT class there is a difference.

You could get in a big debate with a FFXI RDM with that statement.

[KoujiGeki]

You are way, WAY oversimplifying the development process if you think that having ability concepts is the hard part of class design. That part is the easy part. Anybody on the forums could spend 5 minutes and come up with ability designs for a class; the hard part is implementing them and writing it into the story.

The only reason I'm opposed to Necromancers is because I would rather see the development team's time and efforts go into something either new and fresh for an MMO (like Mathematician) or something very iconic and with a playstyle we don't really have (like Thief or Ninja.) We're already getting a pet class with a wide variety of spells with Arcanist and Summoner, there's no reason to start clamoring for a second one right now.

So you want two pet classes immediately released one after another that are both going to be hybrid spellcasters? That seems like a giant waste of time and it would be insanely hard to make them diverse enough to be noticeable.

Oh no i agree it shouldnt come out for a while but just to know if it was possible would be nice. And Mathematician was in Final fantasy Tactics so technically its not really all that new of an idea/class.

[valetarkus]

Oh! Some ideas on Undead and Hellish likeness to summon or raise up: Anima (C'mon who doesn't love Anima from FFX?) Cerberus, Diablos, Kjata, Hades, and of course any of the low level skeletons or ghosts would be expected. But mainly I wanna summon Anima.

[KoujiGeki]

You could get in a big debate with a FFXI RDM with that statement.

Well thats a good point to cause not Arcanist is the Debuffing job it even says it on the ARR site. So now Rdm needs to be redone over but that derailing so lets not dive into that i made a Lets talk about red mage post awhile back. But there were Dot debuffs for Blm but they dont have them in 14, and they were elemental. And instead of Dia poisonand Bio that rdm had in 11 it would have Bio and poison Dia is still up for grabs with another job.

[valetarkus]

You have White Mage and Black Mage. Paladin and Dark Knight (DRK not in FFXIV I know, yet) And you have summoner and it's opposite Necromancer. I feel like necromancer would just be The Summoners opposite. Just a thought.

[Powercow]

Oh no i agree it shouldnt come out for a while but just to know if it was possible would be nice. And Mathematician was in Final fantasy Tactics so technically its not really all that new of an idea/class.

You missed the "for an MMO" bit. Calculators in FFT were a weird and unique concept (and still are) for a single-player game, and they could be very interesting if done right in an MMO environment. At least they would be different.

Necromancers have been done to death (get it?) in RPGs. Really, aside from "they have ZOMBIES!" there hasn't been a good reason why we should have a Necromancer class over just about anything else.

[KoujiGeki]

You missed the "for an MMO" bit. Calculators in FFT were a weird and unique concept (and still are) for a single-player game, and they could be very interesting if done right in an MMO environment. At least they would be different.

Necromancers have been done to death (get it?) in RPGs. Really, aside from "they have ZOMBIES!" there hasn't been a good reason why we should have a Necromancer class over just about anything else.

Yes this is true i did miss that. But i never said they should come before other classes only that i hope they can make it. Other RPGs did use it just god forbid my favorite RPG series ever added it.

Ps Hell i want them to add Judge as a dual wielding sword, Enfeebling Tank job.That would be new and awesome

[Andrien]

What about Necromancer would be cool? I'm legitimately curious about that.

To name a few cool necro abilities from Final Fantasy V, they have unique spells like Meltdown, Doomsday, and other abilities like Dark Flare.

The coolest thing of all is that there will finally be a job that can charm something other than animals like a BST, or summon forth primals like a SMN. This form of pet job will finally be unlocked. In other words, we'll finally have every available pet job in FFXIV.

[Duuude007]

In all honesty I want each job/class decision made carefully. It needs to fill a profound niche that is not already being filled.

Please, convince us what profound niche Necromancer will fill that already live or already designed jobs will not.

And I hope hybrid is not part of your explanation. If everyone is given special exceptions... nobody is. The laws of balance.

Instead of Nukes like Blm and Whm it gets DoTs?

Arcanist is going to be a Debuffer not a DoT class there is a difference.

Really? then what does this official release imply?