Necromancer: Discussion of the dead

[Cedri]

It's not the primals that are evil, it's what they are used for.

I would ask that you please not misquote me. I was sating that the intentions of the primals are the intentions of the user who summoned it.

Also I should have made myself more clear. Right from the Final Fantasy Wiki (Source) disambiguation page:


Necromancer may refer to:

• A Job from Final Fantasy V Advance.
• An enemy from Final Fantasy V.
• An enemy from Final Fantasy VI.
• A summoner type enemy from Final Fantasy XI.
• The Job from Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade.
• An enemy from Chocobo's Dungeon 2.

Generally it is an enemy job. How can you refute that fact?

[Andrien]

I would ask that you please not misquote me. I was sating that the intentions of the primals are the intentions of the user who summoned it.

Also I should have made myself more clear. Right from the Final Fantasy Wiki (Source) disambiguation page:


Necromancer may refer to:

• A Job from Final Fantasy V Advance.
• An enemy from Final Fantasy V.
• An enemy from Final Fantasy VI.
• A summoner type enemy from Final Fantasy XI.
• The Job from Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade.
• An enemy from Chocobo's Dungeon 2.

Generally it is an enemy job. How can you refute that fact?

Its the fact that any job in the Final Fantasy franchise can be an "enemy job" is what makes your point invalid.

I was sating that the intentions of the primals are the intentions of the user who summoned it.

Same can be said for the intentions for those who can summon undead.

[Cedri]

Generally it is an enemy job.

Its the fact that any job in the Final Fantasy franchise can be an "enemy job" is what makes your point invalid.



Same can be said for the intentions for those who can summon undead.

Definition of GENERALLY

a : in disregard of specific instances and with regard to an overall picture...

[Reika]

I would ask that you please not misquote me. I was sating that the intentions of the primals are the intentions of the user who summoned it.

Also I should have made myself more clear. Right from the Final Fantasy Wiki (Source) disambiguation page:


Necromancer may refer to:

• A Job from Final Fantasy V Advance.
• An enemy from Final Fantasy V.
• An enemy from Final Fantasy VI.
• A summoner type enemy from Final Fantasy XI.
• The Job from Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade.
• An enemy from Chocobo's Dungeon 2.

Generally it is an enemy job. How can you refute that fact?

And this is what I was taking about in a different thread about "Things must be the same as other games" that people keep wanting that stifles the developers creativity. Who gives damn if it was generally an enemy mob or job in other FF titles. It doesn't have to be a traditional FF job to be a good thing to add to FFXIV.

[Elexia]

It doesn't have to be a traditional FF job to be a good thing to add to FFXIV.

Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn, it damn well better not destroy what Final Fantasy has been doing or they shouldn't be naming it Final Fantasy. I know most people want this as a generic MMORPG, but even Yoshida says he wants this as a Final Fantasy Fanservice title. Necromancers were generally enemies, but they also have enough importance that they were added as Jobs eventually or thrown into a large chunk of lore.

The bigger question is: How would they even do with in the corner they put themselves in with the armory system?

[Hanemakikaze]

I would ask that you please not misquote me. I was sating that the intentions of the primals are the intentions of the user who summoned it.

Also I should have made myself more clear. Right from the Final Fantasy Wiki (Source) disambiguation page:


Necromancer may refer to:

• A Job from Final Fantasy V Advance.
• An enemy from Final Fantasy V.
• An enemy from Final Fantasy VI.
• A summoner type enemy from Final Fantasy XI.
• The Job from Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade.
• An enemy from Chocobo's Dungeon 2.

Generally it is an enemy job. How can you refute that fact?

By that logic summoner wouldn't fit into the game either, how many enemies used summons throughout FF to destroy the world(or try to) or use them against you(aka your enemy)? Necromancer fits just as much as any other class, more so in this game than most others.

[Duuude007]

By that logic summoner wouldn't fit into the game either, how many enemies used summons throughout FF to destroy the world(or try to) or use them against you(aka your enemy)? Necromancer fits just as much as any other class, more so in this game than most others.

Players could use summon (or call) in FF 4,5,6,7,8,9,10, 11, 12, and 13. Your counter argument is way off base.

[Hanemakikaze]

Players could use summon (or call) in FF 4,5,6,7,8,9,10, 11, 12, and 13. Your counter argument is way off base.

What argument are you talking about exactly? Because I don't see one. I pointed out how silly that logic is, when in almost every game they are on both sides. The fact that people choose to limit themselves to generic typical classes that are reused in every game but grab a pitch fork when one of the less used ones come up for discussion is...I just find it hilarious.

And from what I read, peoples only "argument" against it is that they think it doesn't fit when they already play thm, and ask for dark knight which is by no means that far from necromancer. People on these forums are just silly as hell, is what I was saying. There is my so called counter argument I suppose.

[KoujiGeki]

Players could use summon (or call) in FF 4,5,6,7,8,9,10, 11, 12, and 13. Your counter argument is way off base.

Well what they might be getting at is Summoner is not a defined class it can be both good and Evil, most lore to Necromancy itself which most people dont know is it stemmed from people wanting to bring back loved ones. The idea itself is a noble idea but most ignorant people only see it as evil. Absolutley anything can be used as a weapon, Necromancy just happens to have more evil users than good, the promise of Lichdom being a main cause of that.

And others games and lore allow necromancy to be practiced to keep it in line and in check, Like oblivion for example the second they banned necromancy in that world the practice of it became increased rather than smaller. You draw attention to things like at banning them and make people wonder why it was banned, next thing you know they are trying out necromancy.Or once again like Uldah to protect their city they raised the dead to prevent the citizens from dying.

Someone please answer this question. Why is it evil to protect lives by using dead peoples bodies as weapons to protect? The bodies are empty no souls nothing they are dead, rather than sacrifice young women and men who have the rest of their lives ahead of them.

Say your dying and i happen to be a "good" necromancer passing by if i could drain the life out of a tree or an animal,and give it to you to live am i evil? The tree or animal rots away i have disrupted nature to save your life you view me as evil?

Your child or loved one is dying from a disease. A necromancer is the master of life and death, disease and poisons. I could take the poison or disease killing them and plant in into a common house rat, killing it instead. Is it evil?

[Duuude007]

Your child or loved one is dying from a disease. A necromancer is the master of life and death, disease and poisons. I could take the poison or disease killing them and plant in into a common house rat, killing it instead. Is it evil?

Are we talking about FFXIV still, or the movie Green Mile?