Necromancer: Discussion of the dead

[Cedri]

Necromancer is more of an enemy job. I believe the only time Necromancer was a playable job was in the GB version of final fantasy V. The only problem I see with Necromancer fitting in is that it isn't a job befitting of the general "hero" theme of the game.

One could argue that you could find an "unexpected hero" in generally what would be considered evil. Take Everquest 2 for example. It has factions for both good and evil and only evil characters may play Necromancers. Since we're in a game that's about good vs evil (for the most part) I don't think Necromancer has a place in X|V.

[Andrien]

Necromancer is more of an enemy job. I believe the only time Necromancer was a playable job was in the GB version of final fantasy V. The only problem I see with Necromancer fitting in is that it isn't a job befitting of the general "hero" theme of the game.

One could argue that you could find an "unexpected hero" in generally what would be considered evil. Take Everquest 2 for example. It has factions for both good and evil and only evil characters may play Necromancers. Since we're in a game that's about good vs evil (for the most part) I don't think Necromancer has a place in X|V.

Your opinion is flawed.

Question. What makes Summoner not a forbidden, or an "Enemy job"?

I'm pretty sure the beast tribes is considered our enemy, and I'm also pretty sure they can summon primals, but wait there is more because I'm also sure that the primals are considered evil to the people of Eorzea.

Consider the following. Here is the job description for Summoner from the Final Fantasy X|V official website.

Summoner

The beast tribes of Eorzea worship and summon forth beings known as primals, among which are Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan. Yet what is a god to one man is a demon to another, for the city-states of Eorzea see these beings as a grave threat to their collective survival.

In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will. Known simply as summoners, the existence of these men and women and their arcane art have been all but lost to the ages.

So, why no to Necromancer? The lore is there. Its in the THM storyline.

[Cedri]

Your opinion is flawed.

No, opinions aren't flawed. Information can be flawed.

Question. What makes Summoner not a forbidden, or an "Enemy job"?

Pretty sure you missed this part of your own quote:

In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will.

It's not the primals that are evil, it's what they are used for.

I'm pretty sure the beast tribes is considered our enemy, and I'm also pretty sure they can summon primals, but wait there is more because I'm also sure that the primals are considered evil to the people of Eorzea.

See above quote.

So, why no to Necromancer? The lore is there. Its in the THM storyline.

Historically, it hasn't been a playable job. Enemies have had this job. That is a statement of fact, not opinion. Also the entire game has been rewritten so who's to say what the THM story line looks like now?

[Andrien]

No, opinions aren't flawed. Information can be flawed.


It's not the primals that are evil, it's what they are used for.

Historically, it hasn't been a playable job. Enemies have had this job. That is a statement of fact, not opinion. Also the entire game has been rewritten so who's to say what the THM story line looks like now?

I don't comment on speculations, but how naive can you be? At least I've provided irrefutable evidence by quoting information made by Square Enix. How can that be flawed? Your attempt of turning it around will not help your opinion.


Now you said not all primals are evil? Have you even seen them all? As the Summoner description implies, they are considered a grave threat, and summoning takes a lot of aether, aka life energy from the planet. One more thing, did you forget what Bahamut did? Also my first encounter with Ifrit, and Garuda didn't go so peachy either. Each Beast tribe worship and have their own primal deity.

With your analogy of not all primals are evil, then why can't all Necromancer not be evil? And, historically the job is playable in FFV Advance, you said this yourself earlier.

Now this is not a Summoner thread. I've only brought it up to prove my point that the game is not all rainbows and unicorns as you envisioned it. Back on topic, Necromancer.

You mean the Ul'dah storyline, right.

Thank you for the correction.

[Cedri]

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You sound way too mad lol ending this convo before it escalates.

[Andrien]

You sound way too mad lol ending this convo before it escalates.

I welcome any valid points you can bring.

[Cedri]

I welcome any valid points you can bring.

I made some valid points, however your combative style of discussion I don't wish to continue. :/

[Alhanelem]

So, why no to Necromancer? The lore is there. Its in the THM storyline.

Because THM essentially already are necromancers.

Anyway, I guess some people find it fun but the job-making game is pointless. SE is not going to make your job the way you want it. It's going to make the jobs it wants to make how it wants to make them when it wants to make them.

[Cedri]

Because THM essentially already are necromancers.

Anyway, I guess some people find it fun but the job-making game is pointless. SE is not going to make your job the way you want it. It's going to make the jobs it wants to make how it wants to make them when it wants to make them.

Then again it's good to listen to the community wants. Makes for a more interesting gaming experience to see a job created from what the community suggested. That probably wont happen though.

[Elexia]

I made some valid points, however your combative style of discussion I don't wish to continue. :/

This is the FFXIV community, you're not allowed to have a differing opinion, lay out valid points or use common sense when it fights against what someone else wants or deems correct or else you'll get people attacking your every point till you tell them they're correct.

Fyi, Necromancy has a huge role in FFXI's overall lore, therefore anyone that says Necromancer wouldn't fit should remember: SE originally intended to release Necromancer but they cop'd out and threw in PUP which is still basically what they intended Necromancer to play like.

If someone hadn't played FFXI, much like Summoning Magic being forbidden, Necromancy was considered a taboo art and most Necromancers were banished below Tavnazia to the aqueducts after the war, however Necromancy is just another form of black magic. In XIV they're coping out again with Summoning Magic.

I don't think that makes his point invalid, if based on statistical evidence from wiki (lol) 2/3 of the time Necro is a enemy job. Just because you say it isn't does not change that fact. Even if you're summoning undead for good purposes in XIV how does it distinguish itself from a summoner? I get it would summon undead not primals, but after that there is little distinction. It's an undead summoner.

edit: grammar

Your point? You do realize there's multiple styles of pet summoning...right? In XI you had DRGs with their Wyverns, Summoners with their Avatars, Beastmaster with various pets they can tame/call and Necromancer/Puppetmaster with Automatons.

All 4 of those means they're "just x summoners" using that logic.

Anyway, I guess some people find it fun but the job-making game is pointless. SE is not going to make your job the way you want it. It's going to make the jobs it wants to make how it wants to make them when it wants to make them.

Interesting, they made Corsair and Dancer pretty much the way everyone wanted it. The only thing that people disliked were the usual people who think DD is the only thing that matters.