Necromancer: Discussion of the dead

[Duuude007]

Limitations kill creativity.

Lack of balance kills quality. Its a double-edged sword.


Again Im not saying no, Im saying it needs a profound niche to fill. One not already reserved for another job.

[valetarkus]

You have White Mage and Black Mage. Paladin and Dark Knight (DRK not in FFXIV I know, yet) And you have summoner and it's opposite Necromancer. I feel like necromancer would just be The Summoners opposite. Just a thought.

[Yrusama]

This begs the question whether or not you understand or even read through the THM storyline...

Necromancy is blasphemous to worshippers of Thal, if you ask me. The Thaumaturges at the Ossuary are taught to guide the dead into the realm of Thal (death). Bringing them back would only serve to complicate everything, and defy the natural order.

It might be neat to play as a Necromancer, but I'd be afraid to set foot in Ul'dah wearing my AF. Let's not forget Necromancer isn't really a common job in FF. In fact it was only used in the remake of FFV. Yoshi-P seems more interested in FF fanservice than tossing together a class that's only really there for mild spookiness.

[AceofRains]

Necromancy is blasphemous to worshippers of Thal, if you ask me. The Thaumaturges at the Ossuary are taught to guide the dead into the realm of Thal (death). Bringing them back would only serve to complicate everything, and defy the natural order.

It might be neat to play as a Necromancer, but I'd be afraid to set foot in Ul'dah wearing my AF. Let's not forget Necromancer isn't really a common job in FF. In fact it was only used in the remake of FFV. Yoshi-P seems more interested in FF fanservice than tossing together a class that's only really there for mild spookiness.

Even if the Thaumaturges are taught to guide the dead to the realm of thal, don't get it twisted because a Necromancer doesn't have the same story and mission as a thaumaturge and neither does a black mage.

To be honest, if they added Necromancer, they would be doing this fan a great service. Let's not forget, FF1 didnt' even have chocobos.

[Alhanelem]

Even if the Thaumaturges are taught to guide the dead to the realm of thal, don't get it twisted because a Necromancer doesn't have the same story and mission as a thaumaturge and neither does a black mage.

To be honest, if they added Necromancer, they would be doing this fan a great service. Let's not forget, FF1 didnt' even have chocobos.

This or that game having or not having something isn't really much of an argument (But if you want to play that way, as the previous poster said, there isn't much precedent when a job only exists in not even a regular main series game, but rather a remake of one). To be blunt I think they'd be doing a lot more than one FF fan a great service by using another more famous job like blue mage, time mage, or dark knight.

The thing is Necromancers are generally evil in fantasy worlds, with the most notable exception being Diablo II, but even in that game world, most necromancers certainly are evil, only the one you happen to be able to play isn't (wholly) evil. This makes them not fit in very well in a game where you aren't really playing the bad guy.

[CptGrimlock]

Not this again...
Why start a whole new thread?

[Cedri]

Necromancer is more of an enemy job. I believe the only time Necromancer was a playable job was in the GB version of final fantasy V. The only problem I see with Necromancer fitting in is that it isn't a job befitting of the general "hero" theme of the game.

One could argue that you could find an "unexpected hero" in generally what would be considered evil. Take Everquest 2 for example. It has factions for both good and evil and only evil characters may play Necromancers. Since we're in a game that's about good vs evil (for the most part) I don't think Necromancer has a place in X|V.

[Andrien]

Necromancer is more of an enemy job. I believe the only time Necromancer was a playable job was in the GB version of final fantasy V. The only problem I see with Necromancer fitting in is that it isn't a job befitting of the general "hero" theme of the game.

One could argue that you could find an "unexpected hero" in generally what would be considered evil. Take Everquest 2 for example. It has factions for both good and evil and only evil characters may play Necromancers. Since we're in a game that's about good vs evil (for the most part) I don't think Necromancer has a place in X|V.

Your opinion is flawed.

Question. What makes Summoner not a forbidden, or an "Enemy job"?

I'm pretty sure the beast tribes is considered our enemy, and I'm also pretty sure they can summon primals, but wait there is more because I'm also sure that the primals are considered evil to the people of Eorzea.

Consider the following. Here is the job description for Summoner from the Final Fantasy X|V official website.

Summoner

The beast tribes of Eorzea worship and summon forth beings known as primals, among which are Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan. Yet what is a god to one man is a demon to another, for the city-states of Eorzea see these beings as a grave threat to their collective survival.

In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will. Known simply as summoners, the existence of these men and women and their arcane art have been all but lost to the ages.

So, why no to Necromancer? The lore is there. Its in the THM storyline.

[Cedri]

Your opinion is flawed.

No, opinions aren't flawed. Information can be flawed.

Question. What makes Summoner not a forbidden, or an "Enemy job"?

Pretty sure you missed this part of your own quote:

In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will.

It's not the primals that are evil, it's what they are used for.

I'm pretty sure the beast tribes is considered our enemy, and I'm also pretty sure they can summon primals, but wait there is more because I'm also sure that the primals are considered evil to the people of Eorzea.

See above quote.

So, why no to Necromancer? The lore is there. Its in the THM storyline.

Historically, it hasn't been a playable job. Enemies have had this job. That is a statement of fact, not opinion. Also the entire game has been rewritten so who's to say what the THM story line looks like now?

[Andrien]

No, opinions aren't flawed. Information can be flawed.


It's not the primals that are evil, it's what they are used for.

Historically, it hasn't been a playable job. Enemies have had this job. That is a statement of fact, not opinion. Also the entire game has been rewritten so who's to say what the THM story line looks like now?

I don't comment on speculations, but how naive can you be? At least I've provided irrefutable evidence by quoting information made by Square Enix. How can that be flawed? Your attempt of turning it around will not help your opinion.


Now you said not all primals are evil? Have you even seen them all? As the Summoner description implies, they are considered a grave threat, and summoning takes a lot of aether, aka life energy from the planet. One more thing, did you forget what Bahamut did? Also my first encounter with Ifrit, and Garuda didn't go so peachy either. Each Beast tribe worship and have their own primal deity.

With your analogy of not all primals are evil, then why can't all Necromancer not be evil? And, historically the job is playable in FFV Advance, you said this yourself earlier.

Now this is not a Summoner thread. I've only brought it up to prove my point that the game is not all rainbows and unicorns as you envisioned it. Back on topic, Necromancer.

You mean the Ul'dah storyline, right.

Thank you for the correction.