Necromancer: Discussion of the dead

[Duuude007]

IMO most new jobs will most fall into that list. Why pick a Drk over a Drg?

I agree. Thats exactly why caution and balance needs to be in play when considering new additions.

One niche I see is for DoL, for a class capable of scavenging animals for crafting material. "Shepherd" has been thrown about many times, but we know too little to have a solid class design. Personally I prefer the names Scavenger or Skinner over that.

[KoujiGeki]

I agree. Thats exactly why caution and balance needs to be in play when considering new additions.

One niche I see is for DoL, for a class capable of scavenging animals for crafting material. "Shepherd" has been thrown about many times, but we know too little to have a solid class design.

I mean like i said before, they can give it the abilities they took away like shaodwsear and make that the 15 min, Scourge, and drain which are key magic for it.

[Powercow]

One niche I see is for DoL, for a class capable of scavenging animals for crafting material. "Shepherd" has been thrown about many times, but we know too little to have a solid class design. Personally I prefer the names Scavenger or Skinner over that.

Well the reason Shepherd was thrown around so much is because back in the beta, an NPC mentioned them in the same breath as Goldsmiths and Botanists. There were also guild signs with antlers that were present in a few places, including hamlets out in Coerthas. Presumably this sign was for Shepherds.

[Duuude007]

Well the reason Shepherd was thrown around so much is because back in the beta, an NPC mentioned them in the same breath as Goldsmiths and Botanists. There were also guild signs with antlers that were present in a few places, including hamlets out in Coerthas. Presumably this sign was for Shepherds.

Thats exactly what I was referring to, yes.

If there were a job design I would love to see done with a community based effort, one which has a distinct niche to fill... it would be that one.

Of course, not in this thread.

[Reika]

IMO most new jobs will most fall into that list. Why pick a Drk over a Drg?

Because you like DRK more than DRG.... should be the only reason :/

[KoujiGeki]

Because you like DRK more than DRG.... should be the only reason :/

agreed. But think of it like this Drg has some of drks abilities now, plus second wind so with those it can handle itself if it has to. If Drks dont get a life draining move thats not a 15 min, and it has abilities that make it damage itself for more power. c.c whms are gonna rage so hard. with the option of Power surge and Life surge alone already gives Drg the edge over Drk. And making Drks to strong will make the Drgs mad. There wont be a happy medium for Drg and Drk im calling it now. Even if the make them exactly equal in dmg that fact that Drg has more survivability will make Drg more desirable cause Drks will take heals away from the tanks unless drk is a tank job. Or will just kill itself cause the whm is focusing on the tank and then you get no dmg.

[KoujiGeki]

Still there isnt a real reason Necromancer cant EVENTUALLY be added. I am not saying over any other job. I in fact HATE with a passion when rpgs only release 1 new job at a time cause them everyone plays that one job and then i dont play it cause everyone thinks you do it cause its the fad job like Samurai in 11or Dark Knight in Wow.

[Powercow]

I in fact HATE with a passion when rpgs only release 1 new job at a time cause them everyone plays that one job and then i dont play it cause everyone thinks you do it cause its the fad job like Samurai in 11.

Death Knights... hundreds of them... roaming like cattle throughout Hellfire Peninsula... so many death grips... the horror... THE HORROR!

But yeah, it's a little late in the cycle now to add in a new class/job (though hot damn, wouldn't THAT be a pleasant surprise for the beta) to release alongside acn/smn. I am expecting to see a TON of them running around, which is one of the reasons I suppose they're making them hybrid-ish.

[Powercow]

Do research before coming to a debate. I specially said FFV because those abilities belonged to Necromancer, even though that game also has BLM and the rest.

Right, and those abilities could have simply been added to BLM and not hurt the game at all. They're not Necromancer abilities like you put it, they're black mage abilities that have been added to the necromancer class because they needed skills not already in the game to fill out that job.

Your second statement. You're not just saying, you're down playing. Your excuse is far more weaker than you think. There is absolutely nothing in your second statement that could be considered valid.

The reason you gave to add in Necromancer was so that it would complete the set. Classes aren't Pokemon cards, they should not be added in just so an arbitrary set of rules can be met. There are a LOT more pet class options than beast master, summoner, and necromancer. There's mind control and enslavement, there's morphing objects, crafting slaves, there's spirit-splitting for you or your enemy... the list goes on. Even if we added in Necromancer, it would not complete the set, not even close. Considering that one of your arguments about why Necromancer would be a good class is that it would complete this set, this is a fallacious argument.

[Andrien]

Right, and those abilities could have simply been added to BLM and not hurt the game at all. They're not Necromancer abilities like you put it, they're black mage abilities that have been added to the necromancer class because they needed skills not already in the game to fill out that job.

The reason you gave to add in Necromancer was so that it would complete the set. Classes aren't Pokemon cards, they should not be added in just so an arbitrary set of rules can be met. There are a LOT more pet class options than beast master, summoner, and necromancer. There's mind control and enslavement, there's morphing objects, crafting slaves, there's spirit-splitting for you or your enemy... the list goes on. Even if we added in Necromancer, it would not complete the set, not even close. Considering that one of your arguments about why Necromancer would be a good class is that it would complete this set, this is a fallacious argument.

Are you telling me that BLM had spells like Doomsday, Dark Flare, Meltdown all in FF1, FF2, FF3, and in FF4 too? Stop with your speculations, because they're false.

I thought mind control fall into the BST category of charming animals. Morpher is not a pet job. They capture monsters and use their abilities as their own. That sounds like a Blue Mage to me. What the hell is a crafting slave? Are you even talking about Final Fantasy?

Again a weak attempt of just down playing.