Removing elemental nukes from WHM

[Shougun]

A. WHM / CNJ can out damage DD BLM on stone weak monsters (wish I had a parser back when my friend and I were testing). On normal monsters WHM is only a little behind its nothing like watching a Fisher try to out damage a class - having all the survival skills greatly helps the WHM in comparison though. Difference between CNJ DD and WHM DD is just RNG.

B. WHM has GLD and PUG the only two sub classes you really need - you cant combo with THM's elemental skills anyways so unless you are trying to fight frogs or something just stick with stone and aero.

C. WHM absorbs all of CNJ skills


A+B+C WHM > CNJ

If you need DD gear you can just materia it, just like the BLM does.

[Lady]

Actually you could still use skills from Gladiator and Pugilist.... Each job had 2 other classes it could still take skills from. Having gladiator and pugilist alone meant you had sentinel for dmg reduction, featherfoot for a free evade + mp regain from it, second wind, the MP-less self heal....

and if you were really getting beat on, by golly benediction. Cant do that on CNJ.

and by golly if youre still sucking it, Repose and run away to fight another day.

While I agree with you, and I am appauled at my spelling skills. Someone could certainly argue that having skills from THM made CNJ > WHM... Its all a matter of opinion. I'm completely open to suggestions, and refuse to get caught up in the FFXI MO, that things are "only good a certain way and don't you dare argue".

[Reika]

While I agree with you, and I am appauled at my spelling skills. Someone could certainly argue that having skills from THM made CNJ > WHM... Its all a matter of opinion. I'm completely open to suggestions, and refuse to get caught up in the FFXI MO, that things are only good a certain way and don't you dare argue.

But the reason I think WHM should lose the ability to cast elemental magic is to make CNJ the better damager. If it continues like it has been, there is no reason to use the classes over the jobs.

CNJ certainly should be MUCH better than WHM at doing damage, however that cant happen when WHM can use all of its spells and abilities, and the measly low level spells you can take from THM that you cant even combo with really do not help CNJ do more damage. CNJ cant do the thunder-thundara combo, and it cant use thundaga. Its gimping yourself to even try. CNJ and other classes could see party roles, where CNJ is the one that kills the stone/aero/water weak monsters while BLM is the one that kills the thunder/fire/ice weak monsters, Or if the monsters really have no weakness you can just pick one, and WHM heals them all while they do it.

Only another overhaul of the system to totally make classes and their attached jobs different of can fix this. Waiting til the cap is lvl99 is unacceptible (someone mentioned that :/). Either they do that, or just get rid of classes. Make all the noobs start out as lvl 1 Paladins, Lvl1 White mages, Lvl 1 Dragoons. Thats pretty much what they handed us anyways.

[Kinseykinz]

A. WHM / CNJ can out damage DD BLM on stone weak monsters (wish I had a parser back when my friend and I were testing). On normal monsters WHM is only a little behind its nothing like watching a Fisher try to out damage a class - having all the survival skills greatly helps the WHM in comparison though. Difference between CNJ DD and WHM DD is just RNG.

B. WHM has GLD and PUG the only two sub classes you really need - you cant combo with THM's elemental skills anyways so unless you are trying to fight frogs or something just stick with stone and aero.

C. WHM absorbs all of CNJ skills


A+B+C WHM > CNJ

If you need DD gear you can just materia it, just like the BLM does.

If this were in fact true, please explain why people DID NOT stack White Mages or Conjurers to do most endgame content but DID stack Black Mages for a fair bit of it. And all you are all proving is that you don't know how to use classes well. Did it ever occur to you that there are times when you don't even need regen to heal? That Stoneskin and and Second Wind and Sentinel (abilities a THM can use as well by the way) are more than enough to keep you happy and healthy, and in these situations (albeit not typical party play) CNJ is a better choice than WHM). In these cases, you can gain more damage output with CNJ over WHM. Period.

It is not my fault you all can't see the pros of using the base classes over jobs nor that you all can't have the foresight to see that while there isn't an enormous difference between base classes and jobs at the moment, the ability to use skills from all the classes on another class still does occasionally, especially for soloing and light parties, trump the job. As we gain levels post 50, the differences will of course, be much more severe...but that will take a level cap raise and other in game changes for you all to see. Again, sorry most of you are shortsighted or impatient.

[Radacci]

It is not my fault you all can't see the pros of using the base classes over jobs nor that you all can't have the foresight to see that while there isn't an enormous difference between base classes and jobs at the moment, the ability to use skills from all the classes on another class still does occasionally, especially for soloing and light parties, trump the job. As we gain levels post 50, the differences will of course, be much more severe...but that will take a level cap raise and other in game changes for you all to see. Again, sorry most of you are shortsighted or impatient.

the point is that classes are supposed to be generic, and more solo-centric, while jobs are for party.

[MuCephei]

That is still gimping yourself. you can have 5 low lvl skills more skills from this or that class, or you can have 5 better ways to keep yourself alive even solo. Regen > all solo. Saves you a lot of MP for hp recovery when your pretending to be a BLM...... in the end, the job skills are better than the low level class skills any day. WHM > CNJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOqoiL-RRs

This is not me in the video, I found it on youtube. Please do not take offense because of the gif Reika. You are not a b!tch; I'm just trying to make people see the worth in classes.

[Reika]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOqoiL-RRs

This is not me in the video, I found it on youtube. Please do not take offense because of the gif Reika. You are not a b!tch; I'm just trying to make people see the worth in classes
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Cool video. Tho, he could have reached the scarred without accidently pulling others without the range buff, so none of that is anything a WHM couldn't have done equally well without loseing that much health. In other words - WHM would have had nearly equal damage with better HP recovery. It can wear all that same gear after all.

[MuCephei]

well...mkay

[Wilksha]

It has been said a long time ago that the wheel was going back to Water puts out Fire, Fire melts Ice, etc etc.

I've never read anywhere that they are changing the elemental wheel to such. ATM there isn't the same single wheel that FFXI has that was Water > Fire > Ice > Wind > Earth > Thunder > Water and Light <-> Dark. 1.0 had 3 wheels Wind > Fire > Ice > Wind; Earth > Thunder > Water > Earth; and Light(Astral) <-> Dark(Umbral). This info was actually in game and could be found at the THM guild in Ul'dah by reading the books on the counter. And as such Ifrit wasn't weak to water but weak to Wind in 1.0. If you find the post share it with us, otherwise your comment can be called truth.

[Kinseykinz]

Cool video. Tho, he could have reached the scarred without accidently pulling others without the range buff, so none of that is anything a WHM couldn't have done equally well without loseing that much health. In other words - WHM would have had nearly equal damage with better HP recovery. It can wear all that same gear after all.

Actually, he couldn't have reached it without Resonance...you can plainly see in the second example 'the target is too far below you' in his chat log when he attempted his original cast... still either way doesn't matter, it's not the only non WHM available skill he used.
He ALSO used 'Sanguine Rite' 'Dark Seal' and 'Necrogenesis' All THM abilities.
From GLA he used 'Sentinel' and Rampart (these you can use as a whm)
From PUG he used 'Featherfoot' and 'Second Wind' (these you can also use as WHM)
From ARC he had 'Chameleon' on his action bar although I didn't see him use it in this instance.

And I saw all this watching it once through.

But yeah, you can totally do all that as White Mage.