really... the class/job designs for cnj/whm and thm/blm are fine...... The only thing the ideas of this thread can achieve is an attempt to make WHM more like WHM from some other game.

It's fine that it's not the same. Some jobs change a lot from one game to the next.

I wonder if you played Black Mage enough to know Fire and Ice spells really suck.
Actually, they don't. Freeze is good, flare is good if you have the balls to get close enough, and the other fire spells are fine if you need AoE. Blizzara isnt super powerful but is very useful when you need instant damage.