Removing elemental nukes from WHM

[fusional]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d_RKPMks6w

Stacked WHMs on moogle, 8 min kill.

what exactly are you trying to prove here?

please explain why people DID NOT stack White Mages or Conjurers to do most endgame content but DID stack Black Mages for a fair bit of it.

[Klive]

what exactly are you trying to prove here?

Nothing actually. This thread is going in circles.

[MuCephei]

That is still gimping yourself. you can have 5 low lvl skills more skills from this or that class, or you can have 5 better ways to keep yourself alive even solo. Regen > all solo. Saves you a lot of MP for hp recovery when your pretending to be a BLM...... in the end, the job skills are better than the low level class skills any day. WHM > CNJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOqoiL-RRs

This is not me in the video, I found it on youtube. Please do not take offense because of the gif Reika. You are not a b!tch; I'm just trying to make people see the worth in classes.

[Reika]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOqoiL-RRs

This is not me in the video, I found it on youtube. Please do not take offense because of the gif Reika. You are not a b!tch; I'm just trying to make people see the worth in classes
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Cool video. Tho, he could have reached the scarred without accidently pulling others without the range buff, so none of that is anything a WHM couldn't have done equally well without loseing that much health. In other words - WHM would have had nearly equal damage with better HP recovery. It can wear all that same gear after all.

[MuCephei]

well...mkay

[Kinseykinz]

Cool video. Tho, he could have reached the scarred without accidently pulling others without the range buff, so none of that is anything a WHM couldn't have done equally well without loseing that much health. In other words - WHM would have had nearly equal damage with better HP recovery. It can wear all that same gear after all.

Actually, he couldn't have reached it without Resonance...you can plainly see in the second example 'the target is too far below you' in his chat log when he attempted his original cast... still either way doesn't matter, it's not the only non WHM available skill he used.
He ALSO used 'Sanguine Rite' 'Dark Seal' and 'Necrogenesis' All THM abilities.
From GLA he used 'Sentinel' and Rampart (these you can use as a whm)
From PUG he used 'Featherfoot' and 'Second Wind' (these you can also use as WHM)
From ARC he had 'Chameleon' on his action bar although I didn't see him use it in this instance.

And I saw all this watching it once through.

But yeah, you can totally do all that as White Mage.

[MuCephei]

Actually, he couldn't have reached it without Resonance...you can plainly see in the second example 'the target is too far below you' in his chat log when he attempted his original cast... still either way doesn't matter, it's not the only non WHM available skill he used.
He ALSO used 'Sanguine Rite' 'Dark Seal' and 'Necrogenesis' All THM abilities.
From GLA he used 'Sentinel' and Rampart (these you can use as a whm)
From PUG he used 'Featherfoot' and 'Second Wind' (these you can also use as WHM)
From ARC he had 'Chameleon' on his action bar although I didn't see him use it in this instance.

And I saw all this watching it once through.

But yeah, you can totally do all that as White Mage.

Hey Kinsey. You do a much better job defending CNJ than I.

[Reika]

Actually, he couldn't have reached it without Resonance...you can plainly see in the second example 'the target is too far below you' in his chat log when he attempted his original cast... still either way doesn't matter, it's not the only non WHM available skill he used.
He ALSO used 'Sanguine Rite' 'Dark Seal' and 'Necrogenesis' All THM abilities.
From GLA he used 'Sentinel' and Rampart (these you can use as a whm)
From PUG he used 'Featherfoot' and 'Second Wind' (these you can also use as WHM)
From ARC he had 'Chameleon' on his action bar although I didn't see him use it in this instance.

And I saw all this watching it once through.

But yeah, you can totally do all that as White Mage.

Too far above you was because of his eleveation.... Resonance doesnt effect elevation but range :/

[MuCephei]

My sincere apologies Altena for straying so off topic.

What about this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMT2efvsfoY

You can see in the chat log that the CNJ used Resonance to pull Ranig'oh. So maybe that is one of the highlights about being CNJ>WHM; being able to pull mobs and raise people from a long distance.

[Altena]

For 15 min DH runs, it is faster to stack CNJ/WHM due to Aero (for ogre specifically).

I am not saying CNJ/WHM can't do damage, but the elements will indeed be gimped if they need to balance a healing & nuking job with a flat out nuker.

WHM shouldn't have the same potential a BLM does, and while it is true that they don't on most end game content, they still tie up 50% of the "elemental tree", hence gimping those elements with the requirement of having party healing abilities tied in with DD.

Kinsey - I will call it a Wheel all I like, people including yourself know what I have been referring to, so it's just a weak pry at a pathetic argument about semantics.

Regardless how the "elemental wheel" (come at me) is constructed, currently the BLM line of spells are more flexible and powerful then those on the WHM skill set.

Once again if you read my OP, and following replies, you will notice that I am asking for ideas / discussion in order to fix the current issue of a lack luster elemental wheel, and a boring job (BLM), and I am yet to actually see ideas or compromises that would effectively improve the current issue.

You throw my opinion back in my face, and I will continue to throw yours. Once you come up with a compromise that would improve the issue that is stated in the OP (BLM being boring, lack of elemental affinity), I will take your posts with a grain of salt.

When you have some creative input, then I will listen.