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[fusional]

Does it really matter whether WoW invented something or not?

why are you asking me? you should be asking the people who stupidily ASSUME WoW invented the system and attack WoW specifically and exclusively as a result. you're barking up the wrong tree with this argument.

if is something that the community doesn't like, does it really matter who invented what?

by 'community' you mean a large (overly vocal) minority who would prefer another niche title and systems which come with the territory of a niche title to a healthy, commercially successful title (which is what the devs have stated outright they are trying to achieve) and the systems which come with the territory of that?

and seriously, stop using the 'we' fallacy. i see enough of that shit with fox news playing the "americans think..." card as if the only people who are americans are the ones who agree with their politics. playing the "the community thinks..." card is no better. and if you actually take a minute to REALLY LOOK AROUND, you'll see more than enough evidence that the community, as a whole, does not think that way at all.

It doesn't really matter who invented what system.

then i ask again- why crucify WoW? what service does it do to the argument? answer: none.

people have a right to express their opinions. Something call "Freedom of Speech" in the U.S.

and i have a right to point out how awful their argument is and/or tell them they are blithering idiots. i'd say we're even.

[HamHam]

why are you asking me? you should be asking the people who stupidily ASSUME WoW invented the system and attack WoW specifically and exclusively as a result. you're barking up the wrong tree with this argument.



by 'community' you mean a large (overly vocal) minority who would prefer another niche title and systems which come with the territory of a niche title to a healthy, commercially successful title (which is what the devs have stated outright they are trying to achieve) and the systems which come with the territory of that?

and seriously, stop using the 'we' fallacy. i see enough of that shit with fox news playing the "americans think..." card as if the only people who are americans are the ones who agree with their politics. playing the "the community thinks..." card is no better. and if you actually take a minute to REALLY LOOK AROUND, you'll see more than enough evidence that the community, as a whole, does not think that way at all.



then i ask again- why crucify WoW? what service does it do to the argument? answer: none.



and i have a right to point out how awful their argument is and/or tell them they are blithering idiots. i'd say we're even.

And here you are inserting politics to make your argument seem relevant... a counter argument by saying nothing.

You came to this thread to contribute nothing, but insults. YOU don't even come up with an argument for which side you are for... no, you came to this forum with the intention to provoke.

Thank you for your contribution. It was very insightful.

[fusional]

And here you are inserting politics to make your argument seem relevant... a counter argument by saying nothing.

You came to this thread to contribute nothing, but insults. YOU don't even come up with an argument for which side you are for... no, you came to this forum with the intention to provoke.

Thank you for your contribution. It was very insightful.

is that so?

relatively new thread, already 8 pages of crying and moaning. who's surprised?

this is great for crafters, and really really great for the economy. anyone who doesn't realize how screwed up XIV's economy is/was needs a reality check. and this move would do quite a lot to solve it. oh, and everyone crying about it resembling WoW's system- first of all, WoW didn't invent the system. but every time wow USES a system it DIDN'T INVENT people still just fucking cry because it was in WoW. pathetic.

not to mention wow had one of the most stable economies in any MMO ever made- which is all the more impressive considering the sheer volume of people taking part in it. and yet with just a few hundred dedicated players on each XIV server, the economies quickly spiraled out of control. inflation was rampant (even after the nerf to guildleve rewards), and to really make money you had to have a large amount of capital to play with in the first place. and yet you people want to keep that?

you really don't care about this game succeeding, do you? all you care about is that it A. needs to be different from WoW (a game most of you never actually even played) and B. can't share any qualities with WoW (in spite of WoW not inventing the wheel)

but ANYWAY...

this is really only potentially bad for new players. hopefully they increase vendor gear options (and make them affordable) to compensate, as most crafters probably won't waste time selling lower level stuff. then again, considering the redesign of the quest system i'm sure they intend for people to get most of the gear they'll need for leveling through quest and dungeon rewards, and this will mostly just be an issue for higher level players to deal with. which would be perfectly fine.

page 9. what now?

i contributed, commenting on overwhelming amount of anti-WoW bias/rhetoric, then stepped out for a while. i came back only to see page after page of the same anti-WoW bias/rhetoric still being spewed about with abandon. i commented on it.

and what of your contribution?

so there's that.

[FonzworthBentley]

Ok chill out Fusional. We don't need a negative energy in the forums, that's for http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/. I never mentioned anything about who invented what item system or bashing wow because they use BoP/BoE. That system works for WoW and you obviously know why. I'm old school FFXI. Where you wait 24 hours just to have a chance to claim a Notorious Monster, and an even smaller chance to get a drop. I was in love with WoW for about 6 years but once I played FFXIV I remembered what it was like to play a game that actually required skill to obtain end game items. WoW was wonderful but Blizzard starting giving equipment away, then asking you to grind reputation to buy equipment, then not allowing you to join random dungeons if your equipment score wasn't high enough. All to make sure you paid them your monthly subscription for a longer period of time. I started playing FFXIV in late 2012 and because of my play style I was able to catch up to quite a few people that had been playing for about 2 years at that time. This is why I say WoW is terrible. I should have said WoW has lost my interest and these are the reasons why, but I didn't. Now I have some guy bashing me and a Tarutaru that decided to stand up for me. You took my post personally. I thank you for that, and the laugh I had on my way to work this morning.

[fusional]

Ok chill out Fusional. We don't need a negative energy in the forums, that's for http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/.

while you're apparently a few pages late, if you'd actually take a look around you'd see there's quite enough negative energy to go around here whether i post or not. and if you'll look even harder you'll notice most of my negative energy is directed toward the most negative people

That system works for WoW and you obviously know why.

because the economy works in general? the same concepts work in any/every economy where many many people are actively participating. and what's the point of bringing this up anyway, considering how clearly broken the economies were in XI and XIV?

I'm old school FFXI. Where you wait 24 hours just to have a chance to claim a Notorious Monster, and an even smaller chance to get a drop. I was in love with WoW for about 6 years but once I played FFXIV I remembered what it was like to play a game that actually required skill to obtain end game items.

outside of ifrit extreme (which was largely about countering server lag) and darnus hard, i don't see what context you could be using to qualify this statement, especially as a counter to WoW endgame- where the easiest heroic raids are categorically more difficult than most anything we've ever had in FFXIV. and yes, even in the awful panda era.

oh, and i'm an XI vet as well. so.

WoW was wonderful but Blizzard starting giving equipment away, then asking you to grind reputation to buy equipment, then not allowing you to join random dungeons if your equipment score wasn't high enough.

all of which have nothing to do with the difficulty of endgame

I started playing FFXIV in late 2012 and because of my play style I was able to catch up to quite a few people that had been playing for about 2 years at that time.

weren't you just saying the game was hard?

fat nerd

oh, okay. while i'm not about to randomly post my face on the internet, here i am just chillin' out in the grand tetons, bein fat as hell. hilariously dumb assumption, though. and based on what, exactly? intelligent people on the internet are fat nerds? well alright. but now take a moment to consider what blind assumptions people might make about you in turn.

[FonzworthBentley]

Hello I'm Fonzworth Bentley. If you're an XI vet then everything I said I take back, and I'm very sorry for talking any shit. Much respect because there is always a soldier in the middle of those workers.