Spiritbinding = Ex?

[FonzworthBentley]

I Agree it's a bad idea.

World of Warcraft is terrible. Jumping and controlling your character the same as WoW was plenty. Please stop building WoW 2.0. Blizzard has made the game too easy just so they keep subs from casuals.....
Not being able to sell your used double meld once you create a triple meld will make the RMT very happy^^

Bad idea, but we don't know all the details so maybe it isn't even something to worry about.
I will say this, I was planning on buying a new power supply and GTX 680 but now that I've read this I'm going to wait. I built my desktop for FFXIV. If SE makes WoW 2.0 I'm taking a trip to the pawn shop.

All work and no resale makes Fonzworth a dull boy!!!

[fusional]

World of Warcraft is terrible.

and heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go again. shit like this is why i lose my patience so often in these forums. it gets to the point where i just get absolutely sick of repeating myself and can only do my absolute best to hold back from just telling people they're drooling idiots then calling it a day.

but just in case-

WoW DIDN'T INVENT BoP/BoE. STOP USING THIS BULLSHIT ARGUMENT AGAINST A SYSTEM SIMPLY BECAUSE WoW USED IT AND YOU RETAIN AN INCREDIBLY LARGE NEGATIVE BIAS TOWARD THE GAME ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY DUE TO NAME ALONE.

if this is your attitude, if this is all you have to contribute to the community- just sell your PC right now. get rid of it. never log in again. you won't be missed.

some people actually want this game to not only succeed, but be the best MMO in the world- and we understand that in order to pull that off we need to turn over and examine not only new ideas, but to revisit ideas that have been in place SINCE LONG BEFORE WoW. we don't just IMMEDIATELY SEE RED the instant those three little letters are typed or referenced.

reeeeeeeeer reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer wow suxxxxxxxxx reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

realize you are in an incredibly small minority. realize if SE is to listen to you, their game will cater to an incredibly small minority. and realize if their game only appeals to an incredibly small minority, the damage done to the brand's name will not be recovered, they will not regain the faith of their market, and once FFXI dies they likely will never bother with MMOs again. which defeats THE ENTIRE PURPOSE of them redesigning the game from the ground up.

i wish terrible, awful things upon you and your ilk for throwing your irrational anti-wow feces all over threads that could otherwise be perfectly constructive and helpful to the devs.

[HamHam]

and heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go again. shit like this is why i lose my patience so often in these forums. it gets to the point where i just get absolutely sick of repeating myself and can only do my absolute best to hold back from just telling people they're drooling idiots then calling it a day.

but just in case-

WoW DIDN'T INVENT BoP/BoE. STOP USING THIS BULLSHIT ARGUMENT AGAINST A SYSTEM SIMPLY BECAUSE WoW USED IT AND YOU RETAIN AN INCREDIBLY LARGE NEGATIVE BIAS TOWARD THE GAME ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY DUE TO NAME ALONE.

if this is your attitude, if this is all you have to contribute to the community- just sell your PC right now. get rid of it. never log in again. you won't be missed.

some people actually want this game to not only succeed, but be the best MMO in the world- and we understand that in order to pull that off we need to turn over and examine not only new ideas, but to revisit ideas that have been in place SINCE LONG BEFORE WoW. we don't just IMMEDIATELY SEE RED the instant those three little letters are typed or referenced.

reeeeeeeeer reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer wow suxxxxxxxxx reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

realize you are in an incredibly small minority. realize if SE is to listen to you, their game will cater to an incredibly small minority. and realize if their game only appeals to an incredibly small minority, the damage done to the brand's name will not be recovered, they will not regain the faith of their market, and once FFXI dies they likely will never bother with MMOs again. which defeats THE ENTIRE PURPOSE of them redesigning the game from the ground up.

i wish terrible, awful things upon you and your ilk for throwing your irrational anti-wow feces all over threads that could otherwise be perfectly constructive and helpful to the devs.

Does it really matter whether WoW invented something or not? if is something that the community doesn't like, does it really matter who invented what? There are plenty arguments in favor and against binding equipment. It doesn't really matter who invented what system.

If the system is not welcome (mind you, we have to wait to really see how SE is implementing it to judge it) people have a right to express their opinions. Something call "Freedom of Speech" in the U.S.

There are people who don't like binding equipment and others who do like it. These forums are a venue for both sides to make an argument for or against the new system and in a way try to influence SE to keep or not keep binding.

[fusional]

Does it really matter whether WoW invented something or not?

why are you asking me? you should be asking the people who stupidily ASSUME WoW invented the system and attack WoW specifically and exclusively as a result. you're barking up the wrong tree with this argument.

if is something that the community doesn't like, does it really matter who invented what?

by 'community' you mean a large (overly vocal) minority who would prefer another niche title and systems which come with the territory of a niche title to a healthy, commercially successful title (which is what the devs have stated outright they are trying to achieve) and the systems which come with the territory of that?

and seriously, stop using the 'we' fallacy. i see enough of that shit with fox news playing the "americans think..." card as if the only people who are americans are the ones who agree with their politics. playing the "the community thinks..." card is no better. and if you actually take a minute to REALLY LOOK AROUND, you'll see more than enough evidence that the community, as a whole, does not think that way at all.

It doesn't really matter who invented what system.

then i ask again- why crucify WoW? what service does it do to the argument? answer: none.

people have a right to express their opinions. Something call "Freedom of Speech" in the U.S.

and i have a right to point out how awful their argument is and/or tell them they are blithering idiots. i'd say we're even.

[HamHam]

why are you asking me? you should be asking the people who stupidily ASSUME WoW invented the system and attack WoW specifically and exclusively as a result. you're barking up the wrong tree with this argument.



by 'community' you mean a large (overly vocal) minority who would prefer another niche title and systems which come with the territory of a niche title to a healthy, commercially successful title (which is what the devs have stated outright they are trying to achieve) and the systems which come with the territory of that?

and seriously, stop using the 'we' fallacy. i see enough of that shit with fox news playing the "americans think..." card as if the only people who are americans are the ones who agree with their politics. playing the "the community thinks..." card is no better. and if you actually take a minute to REALLY LOOK AROUND, you'll see more than enough evidence that the community, as a whole, does not think that way at all.



then i ask again- why crucify WoW? what service does it do to the argument? answer: none.



and i have a right to point out how awful their argument is and/or tell them they are blithering idiots. i'd say we're even.

And here you are inserting politics to make your argument seem relevant... a counter argument by saying nothing.

You came to this thread to contribute nothing, but insults. YOU don't even come up with an argument for which side you are for... no, you came to this forum with the intention to provoke.

Thank you for your contribution. It was very insightful.

[fusional]

And here you are inserting politics to make your argument seem relevant... a counter argument by saying nothing.

You came to this thread to contribute nothing, but insults. YOU don't even come up with an argument for which side you are for... no, you came to this forum with the intention to provoke.

Thank you for your contribution. It was very insightful.

is that so?

relatively new thread, already 8 pages of crying and moaning. who's surprised?

this is great for crafters, and really really great for the economy. anyone who doesn't realize how screwed up XIV's economy is/was needs a reality check. and this move would do quite a lot to solve it. oh, and everyone crying about it resembling WoW's system- first of all, WoW didn't invent the system. but every time wow USES a system it DIDN'T INVENT people still just fucking cry because it was in WoW. pathetic.

not to mention wow had one of the most stable economies in any MMO ever made- which is all the more impressive considering the sheer volume of people taking part in it. and yet with just a few hundred dedicated players on each XIV server, the economies quickly spiraled out of control. inflation was rampant (even after the nerf to guildleve rewards), and to really make money you had to have a large amount of capital to play with in the first place. and yet you people want to keep that?

you really don't care about this game succeeding, do you? all you care about is that it A. needs to be different from WoW (a game most of you never actually even played) and B. can't share any qualities with WoW (in spite of WoW not inventing the wheel)

but ANYWAY...

this is really only potentially bad for new players. hopefully they increase vendor gear options (and make them affordable) to compensate, as most crafters probably won't waste time selling lower level stuff. then again, considering the redesign of the quest system i'm sure they intend for people to get most of the gear they'll need for leveling through quest and dungeon rewards, and this will mostly just be an issue for higher level players to deal with. which would be perfectly fine.

page 9. what now?

i contributed, commenting on overwhelming amount of anti-WoW bias/rhetoric, then stepped out for a while. i came back only to see page after page of the same anti-WoW bias/rhetoric still being spewed about with abandon. i commented on it.

and what of your contribution?

so there's that.

[FonzworthBentley]

Ok chill out Fusional. We don't need a negative energy in the forums, that's for http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/. I never mentioned anything about who invented what item system or bashing wow because they use BoP/BoE. That system works for WoW and you obviously know why. I'm old school FFXI. Where you wait 24 hours just to have a chance to claim a Notorious Monster, and an even smaller chance to get a drop. I was in love with WoW for about 6 years but once I played FFXIV I remembered what it was like to play a game that actually required skill to obtain end game items. WoW was wonderful but Blizzard starting giving equipment away, then asking you to grind reputation to buy equipment, then not allowing you to join random dungeons if your equipment score wasn't high enough. All to make sure you paid them your monthly subscription for a longer period of time. I started playing FFXIV in late 2012 and because of my play style I was able to catch up to quite a few people that had been playing for about 2 years at that time. This is why I say WoW is terrible. I should have said WoW has lost my interest and these are the reasons why, but I didn't. Now I have some guy bashing me and a Tarutaru that decided to stand up for me. You took my post personally. I thank you for that, and the laugh I had on my way to work this morning.

[fusional]

Ok chill out Fusional. We don't need a negative energy in the forums, that's for http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/.

while you're apparently a few pages late, if you'd actually take a look around you'd see there's quite enough negative energy to go around here whether i post or not. and if you'll look even harder you'll notice most of my negative energy is directed toward the most negative people

That system works for WoW and you obviously know why.

because the economy works in general? the same concepts work in any/every economy where many many people are actively participating. and what's the point of bringing this up anyway, considering how clearly broken the economies were in XI and XIV?

I'm old school FFXI. Where you wait 24 hours just to have a chance to claim a Notorious Monster, and an even smaller chance to get a drop. I was in love with WoW for about 6 years but once I played FFXIV I remembered what it was like to play a game that actually required skill to obtain end game items.

outside of ifrit extreme (which was largely about countering server lag) and darnus hard, i don't see what context you could be using to qualify this statement, especially as a counter to WoW endgame- where the easiest heroic raids are categorically more difficult than most anything we've ever had in FFXIV. and yes, even in the awful panda era.

oh, and i'm an XI vet as well. so.

WoW was wonderful but Blizzard starting giving equipment away, then asking you to grind reputation to buy equipment, then not allowing you to join random dungeons if your equipment score wasn't high enough.

all of which have nothing to do with the difficulty of endgame

I started playing FFXIV in late 2012 and because of my play style I was able to catch up to quite a few people that had been playing for about 2 years at that time.

weren't you just saying the game was hard?

fat nerd

oh, okay. while i'm not about to randomly post my face on the internet, here i am just chillin' out in the grand tetons, bein fat as hell. hilariously dumb assumption, though. and based on what, exactly? intelligent people on the internet are fat nerds? well alright. but now take a moment to consider what blind assumptions people might make about you in turn.

[FonzworthBentley]

Hello I'm Fonzworth Bentley. If you're an XI vet then everything I said I take back, and I'm very sorry for talking any shit. Much respect because there is always a soldier in the middle of those workers.

[Shougun]

Does it really matter whether WoW invented something or not? if is something that the community doesn't like, does it really matter who invented what? There are plenty arguments in favor and against binding equipment. It doesn't really matter who invented what system.

If the system is not welcome (mind you, we have to wait to really see how SE is implementing it to judge it) people have a right to express their opinions. Something call "Freedom of Speech" in the U.S.

There are people who don't like binding equipment and others who do like it. These forums are a venue for both sides to make an argument for or against the new system and in a way try to influence SE to keep or not keep binding.

I feel like we have a community member famous for being masochistic but I'll take that place for the moment and say

Players dont know what they want, honestly the best example is when people seriously were asking to keep the relics from 1.0 ending. There must be punishment (difficulty) for enjoyment, that lame but old saying fits here "there is no light without darkness".

It is why really hard games give you so much pride.


So while the community doesnt like it, sometimes its the best to implement that feature. "No one here likes how hard this boss is" - Dev ignores them.

People beat the boss finally, community is outrageously happy and proud of themselves.

The binding system prevents reuse, which encourages all faculties to work harder to get the same results (getting the gear you need). And dont use the argument people will do less. Unlike the real world, players will almost always give 100%. I've played some whacked ass hard games - the players in the game weren't lazier because it was harder, they were better.

Of course if the system is too hard it will weed out the players who wont try as hard - so that is part of the reason why. However WoW, and many others have proven that this isnt that big of a weeding device and players can and will still play.

Finally not everyone is against the system, or at least yet while everything is in speculation and not actual practice.