Musketeer Needs a Job

[Altanas]

Would be interesting if:

Musketeer (Musket) (leading to heavy damage)

-> Job at LL (Corsair) (Pistol, leading to light/elemental damage and buffs)
-> Job at Sahagin/Pirates Den (Pirate) (Shotgun or Dual Pistol leading to medium damage and debuffs)

[fusional]

In any case, those were not Final Fantasy.

you said yoshi did it. he clearly didn't. i'm not going to go point for point with you because it's clear you're just trying to find additional qualifiers now to save your ass.

But if you (or anyone) can bring up an instance in a Final Fantasy game that had Archer become Bard, I will happily concede the point.

it's funny though that you'd bring up evolution yet try to use classic OFFLINE (i stress this a lot for a reason) FF job systems as the foundation of your argument. what about FF tactics, then? summoner to bard? does that make sense? does that happen in every FF game? knight to monk? dark knight to geomancer?

these make more sense to you than archer to bard?

can you show me evidence of that very same job progression in FFT being upheld in every other FF game? or will you argue that it doesn't count because it's a tactics game and not a traditional rpg?

in fact, you're the one making the claim that FFXIV is breaking the FF job progression mold, but you seem to cherry pick your examples. why don't you give us the full picture? what about FFXI? can you show us evidence that every other FF game has followed exactly the same job progression? if you can't, or they don't, what exactly is your argument?

every single time this happen it generally just boils down to people PERSONALLY wishing archer progressed into something other than bard, and trying to find ways to argue against it in a way they think has the illusion of being at all factual... when it really is just personal bias without any real basis.

and if that's the case, if it's just your preference- fine. state as much and be done with it. there's nothing wrong with having a preference for or against something.

but then why all the smoke and mirrors?

[Yrusama]

TL;DR, but here are some possibilities I've come up with. Anyone who knows me knows I like to be thorough, so click the images for links to the FF wiki.

Gunner

Gunner has appeared in a variety of roles. Early on it was just a weapon type for various characters in VII and VIII, then later evolved into its own class for X-2 and TA. It would be cool to see Trigger Happy as a 15min ability, and the elemental and status effect shots from TA would make great abilities.

Gun Mage

I think we can safely rule out Gun Mage. Blue Mage will likely be its own class further down the road. Of course it would be hot to see this outfit on an Elezen woman, but I'm a bit worried about how it'd look on a Roegadyn man.

Gadgeteer

Gadgeteer, or Machinist, uses Guns. The Arcanist Guild was also a customs house that dealt with various contraband like dangerous machines. Perhaps if SE mixes and matches things, MSK can lead to GDG or MCH. Not likely, though.

Cannoneer

Guns can be considered hand cannons, can't they? Given MSK is likely the sea-fairing pirate class, it'd be interesting if they brought cannons into the picture for slow, high-damage hits. This can be expanded to AoE or various elements/statuses.

Gunbladier

How would you abbreviate that? GBL? GNB? The Gunblade has already presented itself in XIV as the primary weapon of Gaius van Baelsar. It stands to reason that Eorzeans aren't too dumb to borrow technology from Garlemald, as we already use airships and will be getting Magitek armor. Why not give Musketier a melee aspect to their guns? Obviously they don't need to be as exaggerated as Squall's gunblade, but a Musket tends to have a Bayonet.

Edit: Red Mage could work with this, given how thin Gaius's gunblade is.

Unique Class to XIV
Obviously it would be nice if XIV could bring something entirely new to the table, but too much ground has been covered already. This would be a wasted opportunity to apply a familiar job for fans.

[Sorel]

Fusional ... buddy ... we're not on opposite sides here.

Anyway, I see your point on RO and agree that they made Archer into Bard. The other cases you brought up, not so much. In any case, those were not Final Fantasy.

I brought up Archer to Bard specifically because it was the most readily identifiable example of Producer/Director Yoshida breaking the mold. I never said anything negative about it. (?!) means surprise, it does not mean "I disagree" or "this is bad". If I did disagree or thought it was bad, I would simply say so. Please re-read my posts ... I never said anything negative about it. I used it as an example of non-traditional progression, to point out that Musketeer may also follow a non-traditional Final Fantasy progression ... and to encourage my fellow community members to consider possibilities a little outside the box.

OK. No need to get personal. My example of Archers to Bards isn't even what this thread should be about. I pointed it out because it is not a traditional Final Fantasy job progression, and so it is possible that Producer/Director Yoshida could take Musketeer in a non-traditional Final Fantasy direction. That's all I was trying to convey.

Please take me at my word, Fusional. I ask you not to read so much negativity into my words. It's just not there.

[Forerunner]

Surprised I've not seen Sniper come up yet.

[schism]

Last time i checked we were all playing the same game. If you don't like ppl talking smack about another game well tough tits its going to happen get over it. Let's just hope they don't go overboard on fan input, I hope they make a game they can call theirs.

[Daniolaut]

Musketeer Needs a Job
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Musketeer would need a class first correct?

Gunner

Gunner has appeared in a variety of roles. Early on it was just a weapon type for various characters in VII and VIII, then later evolved into its own class for X-2 and TA. It would be cool to see Trigger Happy as a 15min ability, and the elemental and status effect shots from TA would make great abilities.

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Best job option/choice IMO

I'd really enjoy Gunner as the job with that 15min!! (Now that i think on it a little more, it would probably be the Limit Break instead of the 15 minute though.) (Maybe scatter burst would be the 15? Either way it would be nice.)

[AceofRains]

I'm really hoping they reserve something like ranger for archers.

Gunner, Gambler, and Machinists all the way.