Infos on the Real game Direction? WHEN?!

[Dragonheart]

You bring up quite a bit of good points there, Dragonheart. A few I never even considered before. I totally agree with having PVP ready at launch for the reasons you mentioned. If the game doesn't have PVP at launch it could hurt the game's initial launch and subsequently have a detrimental affect on overall sales. Just as you state, reviewers and websites will probably be critical of the game for that reason, and that reason alone. As silly as it may seem to most of US that follow the game, or maybe don't care for PVP much, or that played 1.0 that didn't have it.....trying to attract as many players as you can to your new shiny MMO has to have it all.....and ALL at launch.

There are still people out there that have NO IDEA that ARR is coming out. There are still people out there that have NO IDEA that 1.0 was fixed, that there's a new dev team and they rebuilt the whole game from scratch. This needs to be taken into account when deciding what to include in the "final version". Because a potential mmo player may have interest in ARR after hearing about it, read a review of the game and say "pfftt ...it doesn't have PVP?? Looks like they never fixed FFXIV like they said they were going to". Let me remind you that there are people out there that have no idea FFXIV was remade at all, and I'm sure those people wouldn't know, that if PVP isn't included at launch...... that it'll be added in a later patch.....they'll just assume if it's not there, the game doesn't have it period....and go somewhere else. There goes a potential customer...

Now granted for most of us....maybe the point I bring up is 0.0 but there are people out there that would be comfortable enough with a new MMO if it offered similar things like PVP. It could make their transition-from a game they've been playing for years that offered this kind of content-much easier and makes them feel more at home, so to speak.

I'm just concerned about this issue because ARR needs a successful and profitable launch. A nice jolt in sales and subs to make up for what they lost....and also so we can have a future with ARR.

I'm glad that someone understand exactly what I mean (even with my crappy english :/ ) .

As you said releasing a game without PvP or other "interesting" (and i didn't say innovative this time) content will be a commercial suicide. For me, you , and the others that played the crappy 1.0, a thing like PvP isn't an important thing. But for returning players, new players coming from others mmo (that of course have PvP ...) , critics like journalist and sites it's a MUST.

So if housing, PvP, and other things requires 1-2 or even 3 months more of develpoment it's better that the game will be delayed. Releasing a complete game under every aspect is not an option for an MMO. (Even GW2 that i think is one of the most complete game at his release, received many critics, ... just imagine a new game in 2013 without PvP)

[Elexia]

If Final Fantasy XIV ARR does all those basic things well and some things more than well it will be able to compete even without any innovation at launch.

This would be true if it came after XI for example, nowadays MMO gamers are far too jaded to let this slide. While the 13-16k or so dedicated XIV people will be ok with it, the grand majority will not be. Look at the most hyped MMOs of all time ever since WoW, you get one thing wrong, especially something that shouldn't have been wrong and that's it.

Game over.

[Orophin]

Just wait until beta starts and I'm sure first-hand experience with it will answer most of your questions. Only so much information can be released due to NDA and the PR team has to authorize most of what's shown anyway.

[AmandaHuggenkiss]

Remember this:
The Community Reps are also bound by the NDA.
Even Yoshi is.

Once beta begins they will be able to talk to us again without their mouths taped closed.

[Elexia]

Just wait until beta starts and I'm sure first-hand experience with it will answer most of your questions. Only so much information can be released due to NDA and the PR team has to authorize most of what's shown anyway.

Therein lies the problem. Most have concerns because of the overly hush hush nature of stuff. SE wants to becareful but at the same time, you have to wonder how most other companies still manage to let out details even if it largely changes. While there's the possibility of overhyping things, at the same time, even SE admits there's been information lulls lately.

So we can say "let's wait for beta"..but we really don't want to start down this path a 2nd time.

So if housing, PvP, and other things requires 1-2 or even 3 months more of develpoment it's better that the game will be delayed. Releasing a complete game under every aspect is not an option for an MMO. (Even GW2 that i think is one of the most complete game at his release, received many critics, ... just imagine a new game in 2013 without PvP)

Doesn't work that way. They could delay it another 3 months and housing and pvp for example would still release sometime after launch, all they did was delay the launch another 3 months. It could delay another year and they'll still have it ready sometime after launch.

The reason is generally because they're focusing on other aspects first and debugging/optimizing systems not being released later. You can never release a "complete" MMO.

[HiirNoivl]

We're not chatting about Beta topics guys.

I think Dragon is right. I'm not some huge expert but I can see how not having pvp would be -10 points on the scale of 1-10 in the eyes of many

[Seirra_Lanzce]

I have to agree, it's now that we should be concern about it, but then need to wait for beta and really ask for information about it in the Beta Forum later, aside from reporting bugs/exploit we find... SO!

[mikoto_qc]

Just wait until beta starts and I'm sure first-hand experience with it will answer most of your questions. Only so much information can be released due to NDA and the PR team has to authorize most of what's shown anyway.

[reefo]

Patience, Grasshopper

[Zezlar]

This would be true if it came after XI for example, nowadays MMO gamers are far too jaded to let this slide. While the 13-16k or so dedicated XIV people will be ok with it, the grand majority will not be. Look at the most hyped MMOs of all time ever since WoW, you get one thing wrong, especially something that shouldn't have been wrong and that's it.

Game over.

Also a problem I foresee is the direction change of the game. They are going to inadvertently alienate some of those long-time players. The relaunch of this game will be an interesting one.