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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Asian, Asia. Hyuran, Hyur.


    In this case then you would need Hyur as a word. There is a lot of crossing and growth in the language but the often invisible structure helps lend ideas to the words that I dont think should be ignored..


    Since Hyurans wouldn't be from Hyur its not exactly the same.
    In that use, "Hyur" is a place. If you wanna get all technical, those races aren't races at all, but species. The clans would be the races.

    So in real life we are human. There is no adjective form for human. "That structure over there is human-an" doesn't sound right. Human is the species just like how Hyur = species, and the midlanders and highlanders are races of that species. Humans have a bunch of races.

    That would also mean, that species can't mate with each other. Hyur's can't have babies with lalafells for example, but highlanders CAN have babies with midlanders.

    Wait, what were we talking about? *puts on summoner horn and summon the Great and Powerful Ferne!*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    In that use, "Hyur" is a place. If you wanna get all technical, those races aren't races at all, but species. The clans would be the races.

    So in real life we are human. There is no adjective form for human. "That structure over there is human-an" doesn't sound right. Human is the species just like how Hyur = species, and the midlanders and highlanders are races of that species. Humans have a bunch of races.

    That would also mean, that species can't mate with each other. Hyur's can't have babies with lalafells for example, but highlanders CAN have babies with midlanders.

    Wait, what were we talking about? *puts on summoner horn and summon the Great and Powerful Ferne!*
    Arguably, they are races in the sense that we are the Human Race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    In that use, "Hyur" is a place. If you wanna get all technical, those races aren't races at all, but species. The clans would be the races.

    So in real life we are human. There is no adjective form for human. "That structure over there is human-an" doesn't sound right. Human is the species just like how Hyur = species, and the midlanders and highlanders are races of that species. Humans have a bunch of races.

    That would also mean, that species can't mate with each other. Hyur's can't have babies with lalafells for example, but highlanders CAN have babies with midlanders.

    Wait, what were we talking about? *puts on summoner horn and summon the Great and Powerful Ferne!*
    Yeah thats what I said, Hyur isnt a place so Hyuran doesn't really flow imo. We are humans (a species that includes races), but we dont have words for races that doesnt have to also do with location. Asians are from asia, Asian Americans .. bla bla.

    Hyur is a race, not a species (and has no special location input, like Hyuran from Hyur(land) lol).
    edit: actually its a species but we call it a race in game.. lol so further confusion if you used race naming of a species more convoluted =wewt edit=

    Point being using the -an would be convoluted compared to not using it (imo :P).
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    Last edited by Shougun; 02-06-2013 at 07:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goufunaki View Post
    Merlwyb: Maiwaifu
    Hyur: Hurr

    Hurrr duuurrr..someone call?

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    "Human Race" is a nice way of saying Human Species. "Human Race" means you include all the races of the Human species. Human is not a race but a collection of races that form one species.

    "This development will change the Miqo'te race" = "This development will change the Seekers of the Sun and Keepers of the Moon." It should be "This development will change the Miqo'te Species".

    I dunno if that helped your case or hindered it. Sorry being that guy, but my background is Science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucke View Post
    "Human Race" is a nice way of saying Human Species. "Human Race" means you include all the races of the Human species. Human is not a race but a collection of races that form one species.

    "This development will change the Miqo'te race" = "This development will change the Seekers of the Sun and Keepers of the Moon." It should be "This development will change the Miqo'te Species".

    I dunno if that helped your case or hindered it. Sorry being that guy, but my background is Science.
    Human Race should be human species, because there are multiple races within human (or you could say human races, but human itself isnt a race - just that there are many races within human group). So I dont think it hindered it at all. Saying human race, while race is a subgroup of humankind its a really weird and non-technical usage though I guess some use it (I've always said human species).

    Just so you know I edited my other post, was confusing myself.

    Hyur - species, then race. However calling Hyur a race (because thats what they are called in game) will mean that saying he is a Hyuran race, which refers to the Asia, Asian issue I brought up. But the fact of the matter is its a species, and we are all screwed up lol. So dont call it a Hyuran because when we incorrectly call it a race with the race type naming style (-an) it will refer to a location (Asian/Asia). (or just change "pick your race" to pick your "species")

    Unless SE is trying to say that there is a parent species to all the races - which would be willd... also means we could interbreed though it still means dont use the -an because in normal structure -an would lead to a non -an form for location.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 02-06-2013 at 07:37 AM.

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    You english speaking people and the way you struggle trying to write down how you pronounce words always makes me giggle
    Saying that coming from a language where you spell stuff just as you write it. Oh, be the great wovel shift cursed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phe View Post
    i just looked up the japanese pronounciation and it seems like the apostrophe from Miqo'te
    makes the "o" short and a double tt:

    ミコッテ - Mi-Ko-t-te
    Tecnically speaking, the little tsu ( ッ ) doesn't exactly mean doubling the next sound. It's more like of a quick stop, a brief moment where you don't speak, just block your mouth and breath altogether. The double sound is the consequence of the air from your lungs pressing to get out.
    You can find the ッ even at the end of words, often in comics, and it means that a character has suddenly stopped talking.

    So yes, in this case, the ッ is pretty much there because of the pause between miqo and te, due to the apostrophe. Same effect, slightly different explanation.
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    Highlander Hyur: Hurr-lan-durr Hurr
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