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  1. #1
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    fusional's Avatar
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    Veto Bahamut
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    Fenrir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    Botting however, they're allowing Add-ons, so they kind of told b-...end-game shells it's perfectly ok to script bots.
    i want to metaphorically punch you in the mouth every time you try to fallaciously connect add-ons with botting.

    let me explain one more god damned time. it won't get through your thick skull, but i'll try regardless.

    where does the word "bot" come from? it's a colloquialism for ROBOT. what is a ROBOT? a robot is a MACHINE that is either controlled by man, or designed by man to autonomously control itself.

    add-ons like a distance plug in, quest tracker, map marker- these DO NOTHING FOR YOU. you aren't CONTROLLING anything. and there is NO AUTONOMOUS CONTROL OF YOUR CHARACTER as direct result of using the add-on. add-ons provide INFORMATION or ADDITIONAL VISUAL ENHANCEMENTS/CUES, and nothing more.

    a program that fishes for you, though? yes, it's a bot. a program that farms for you? yes, it's a bot. a program that claims for you? yes, it's a bot. and yet, add-ons DO NONE OF THESE THINGS.

    so why do you do this? why do you keep leaning on the slippery slope fallacy? why do you keep fallaciously connecting add-ons and bots as if they're the same thing? a bot is a bot. an add-on is an add-on. both are fashioned by third parties and the similarities end there.

    and then there's the implication that endgame shells are botters. ok.

    are you brain damaged? are you so stupid that you honestly believe the only people in FFXI who fishbotted were hardcore endgamers? does the alternate reality you live in have a name?
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    Duelle Urelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    The reason RMT wasn't huge in XIV comparatively was because XIV had a different design to it, now, however, that they're making ARR a 'standard mmo', RMT will be pretty large, much larger than they'll be able to handle.
    If the other standard MMOs are any indication, RMT won't have much of a leg to stand on so long as the developers keep control over progression. RMT was stupidly trivial in WoW because almost all of the character progression is tied to PvP via arena points or BoP gear via raids. They got so desperate that they started making lv1 alts, running them to the city to shout ads for their RMT company, after which everyone in the zone would report them for spamming and continue with their day.

    I think you're confusing "standard MMO" with "Final Fantasy XI" in this case.

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    @OP: Be careful of what you wish for. The more tight-fisted you are to prevent RMT, the more regular players get screwed over caught in the crossfire, while said RMT find workarounds or simply have more man hours and man power to trudge on through. That's not mentioning bone-headed design decisions made out of fear of RMT.
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    Last edited by Duelle; 02-02-2013 at 10:11 AM.
    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Till there will be people ready to buy Gils there will be RMT in MMO. Square-Enix should fight them, but knows that they won't never be defetead.

    On the "botting side" there won't be a serious problem till people will start using Pull Bot against the other gamers, because this is the best way to ruin their game experience. I hope SE will do something for this.
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    Eisen Marduk
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    Just report as many bots as you see every time you see them and we'll be good.
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    Athalia Hartfell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malakhim View Post
    Just report as many bots as you see every time you see them and we'll be good.
    I did that once. Went there a month later and they were still farming Darksteel Beastcoins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malakhim View Post
    Just report as many bots as you see every time you see them and we'll be good.
    Hopefully the RMT special task force is actually competent in ARR and actually bans cheaters and rmt. In 1.0 it seemed like most reports you sent them went straight to the recycle bin without being read or they just went to an inbox that was never, ever checked.
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    Lilithali Nocentis
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    There were not a lot of RTMs shouting or advertising (that I saw), but there were a lot being PLed in Limsa Lominsa. There was one area I could not do leve quests in because there were so many RTMs there. It laged me to death. =(
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    Lady Purrsalot
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    Weaver Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lillium View Post
    There were not a lot of RTMs shouting or advertising (that I saw), but there were a lot being PLed in Limsa Lominsa. There was one area I could not do leve quests in because there were so many RTMs there. It laged me to death. =(
    Yeah they were always at Cedarwood running Leves
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    Vale Aeonslayer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady View Post
    Yeah they were always at Cedarwood running Leves
    Freakin cedarwood, man! That place was overrun!
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    I sincerely hate what RMT do to a game.
    They ruin the economy and create huge, eliteists, separation gaps.
    I hope for iron fist banning.
    If you can't play fair..
    Don't plat at all..
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