Paladin vs Warrior - ARR better set roles!

[Velhart]

Now I never said that. I just said that Jobs should "master" in a partular Area. That doesn't mean they "can't" tank or Do High Damage. A PLD Roles in the Tanking Dept. But They "can" do DD if they wanted too.. but they won't be "as" effective as they would be at Tanking.

DDing is just " Different Weapon" " Different skills"= Different Job and how they effect the battlefield and depending on the "player" those jobs can be Very high DMGing Jobs or they can be noobish.

Jobs are ment to be tried out then the player decides what he or she wants to play.

Doesn't this contradict your previous statements?

[indira]

just leave them both tanks, already have more DD then anything.

[Starlord]

Doesn't this contradict your previous statements?

No because I said WARs " Can" tank. but they shouldn't be "Equal" to a PLD. Or what would be the Difference between a WAR and a PLD?.

When I say "Master", I mean what they are really good at. Things need to be "Diverse" not "Equal" they can be close to equal but they should be "Exactly" equal.

That's why I said WARs "can" be tanks. but PLDs should have the upper hand in Tanking. WARs is 1 of the many DDers but each DD has something Unique about them. they aren't they same. the only thing that they do that's the same is Hit the monster. There weapon is different, there moves are different, How they move about the field is even different. Why can WAR and PLD follow that very same thing?

[Reika]

Warrior simply should not be a hybrid class. I am hoping in ARR they go one way or the other with Warrior. Either it be seen as a DPS class, or it be seen as a Tank that is on par with Paladin. Meanwhile Paladin has to be on par with warrior. At least, until they decide to not lock class/job by their weapons.

If we continue to go by 'paladin should be the master tank' there will be no reason to add any new classes or jobs past summoner, because what will they be but replicas of the ones we already have with a different look and feel? add a new melee dps and you can ask why have any new melee dps, we have 2 of them, and thats 2 too many. Add another magic attacker and say why, we already have blackmage. Add another healer and say why, theres already white mage. Definitely cant add another tank, because we have paladin, and it is currently believed by some that warrior just gets in the way. I see this as a good way to stagnate XIV, give no reason for expansions, new classes, new jobs, new anything.

The reason is player prefrence. As said, some people like to be a light bearing goodie goodie sword/shield tank, while another would rather be a barbarac axe wielding rage tank. One persons perfered tanking style should not be inferior to the other. Just like MNK and LNC shouldnt be inferior to each other, and anything they add after that has the same role as one already present should not be inferior, it should be a new way to play that role.

[HojoDemon]

Black mage can generate more hate then both PLA & WAR put together, if i'm casting i would rather have a PLD infront of me then a WAR

[Thalesia]

dude, paladin was fine. You need pld for Ifrit Extreme, also is really good with Garuda and Raven hard mode. Also good on AV and CC. What i mean is Pld was a really good tank. Only need to fix his mana issue or we will bound to the AF body forever.

I dont know what are you talking about, it is just about personal preference and fighting style as LS.

Cya

[Reika]

dude, paladin was fine. You need pld for Ifrit Extreme, also is really good with Garuda and Raven hard mode. Also good on AV and CC. What i mean is Pld was a really good tank. Only need to fix his mana issue or we will bound to the AF body forever.

I dont know what are you talking about, it is just about personal preference and fighting style as LS.

Cya

You...... majroly contridicted yourself. First you say you NEED paladin for ifrit extreme, then you say its about personal preference.... pick one.

[Velhart]

No because I said WARs " Can" tank. but they shouldn't be "Equal" to a PLD. Or what would be the Difference between a WAR and a PLD?.

When I say "Master", I mean what they are really good at. Things need to be "Diverse" not "Equal" they can be close to equal but they should be "Exactly" equal.

That's why I said WARs "can" be tanks. but PLDs should have the upper hand in Tanking. WARs is 1 of the many DDers but each DD has something Unique about them. they aren't they same. the only thing that they do that's the same is Hit the monster. There weapon is different, there moves are different, How they move about the field is even different. Why can WAR and PLD follow that very same thing?

Ehh...

[Almalexia]

Only thing I can think of never seeing a war tank is like Khimera or something...

Raven? seen a war tank it
Moogle? seen a war
Garuda? War
Ifrit? War
Miser? War
Story Missions? War
Job quests? War

what am I missing here?
Is there something where War is IMPOSSIBLE to tank?
Serious question here.

WAR could not tank Chim after Rampage had its DEF bonus reduced.
WAR could not tank Hardarnus.
WAR could not reliably tank H-1 magitek. Not "impossible," but unnecessarily difficult. I guess it counts.

You need pld for Ifrit Extreme

Stylistic decision!

[Starlord]

Ehh...

It's whatever, it how I would like it. but I know others won't agree, which is fine also. Facepalming won't get any of us anywhere. This whole thread is opinions, in which should wait till we see how 2.0 beta works. Who knows what can happen.