Paladin vs Warrior - ARR better set roles!

[Tonkra]

With Beta test just around the coner, I want to play tank but on 1.0 Warrior was it and nothing else. The difference in defense and hp between Paladin and Warrior were minimal. Every party and dungeon run was always a Warrior. Paladin was for the most part a unwanted class for endgame content. So I though to bring these up and see what people would like to see in ARR for Paladin and Warrior.

Paladin - Tank 2.0

Greater Defense - to be able to tackle multiple Mobs or Bosses without driving crazy the WHM with cures.

AOE emity skills - be able to run into a room and agro everything around him. Sample the 3 Garudas

Boss disabling skills - a skill that will knock down boss for a periot of time (4-8 sec.)

Greater DPS on a single Mob than 1.0.

Warrior - Crowd Control 2.0

More AOE attack skills - been able to run behind the tank and start attacking multiples Mobs for faster kills on a group.

Less Defense that Paladin - there really needs to be a noticeable difference between Paladin and Warrior squishiness if not everyone will still use just Warrior.

AOE enbledding skills - keeping with making Warrior a Crowd Control, mass killer.

Abilities to reduce or increase emity as needed - that way it can control the his emity to help removed mobs from other DPS classes or less to not take away Mobs from Tank.

I would love to hear what other people would like to see different from the 1.0 Paladin and Warrior or everyone is happy just to scrap Paladin and just make Warrior the tank.

Great ideas. My idea to push paladin would be:


HEALING AURA

I also would like, if the Paladin had something like Auras (think about Dark Age of Camelot in that point)

A Healing aura for the group which pulses and regenerates hit points real slow, but at least it would be somethin.

[Starlord]

Paladins.. should be the only "Main tank".Warrior "can" be a Tank, but it shouldn't have defense equal to a Paladin. When I see the word Warrior, I see a Person with an Axe or Sword ( even Dual Swords) and going all out on the enemy. I don't think of a Warrior as a Main tank, However Warriors are tough nuggets, so they can be a Back up Tank, if it so happens the Paladin is having trouble, or needs a second tank within a Battle.

To me, Overall Warriors are ment to be High Damaging (but low Crit-rate) DDers. Paladins Only task.. is to tank.. and they have not so good damage rate. So of course you have the give a Paladin a reason to even exist in the game, so you give them tanking Abilities. If you give Warrior the same thing ( equal as some people say), + Awesome tanking, I feel it makes a Paladin that much useless.

[MizoreShirayuki]

Jobs abilities are drastically changing in ARR. As such, discussions about job mechanics are moot seeing as we don't know what abilities they kept for PLD/WAR and what abilities they tossed in the trash for PLD/WAR. It's all speculation about 1.0 battle mechanics until beta starts...

[Firon]

All this thread proved that War and pld was fine in all situations some people used pld more some people used war more.

[Reika]

The only thing I see proven is that some people believe both of them can tank everything effectively the way they are.

[Sakasa]

The only thing I see proven is that some people believe both of them can tank everything effectively the way they are.

Well this isnt completely true at the end of 1.0. War has more DD designed combos that can generate hate faster when other abilities are on cool down and on the otherside Paladins shield block is massively more powerful then parry could ever be. Also War is alone on an island for all of his abilites, hp gain, and tp generation. PLD had boons form having a whm which is another reason besides guaranteed block that pld fighting Darnus hard was significantly easier.

I would just like war and gld to be adjusted where it could fit in spots that are vacant. For instance war should be able to be fit into that DD roll and while not be equal give something else to the table that drg or mnk cant. Same for Gladiator instead of pld because pld to me is to far gone to not be tank (I mean design not statistically as you can do dd pld and put up numbers far beyond most suspect).

[Shougun]

The only thing I see proven is that some people believe both of them can tank everything effectively the way they are.

Except they are not lol, there are -clear- winners for different situations.

For same skill and gear, there will be situations I will always pick a WAR over PLD and a PLD over WAR. Never "meh either one I dont care".

[Skies]

Except they are not lol, there are -clear- winners for different situations.

For same skill and gear, there will be situations I will always pick a WAR over PLD and a PLD over WAR. Never "meh either one I dont care".

You are not understanding what Reika says. A being better than B does not means that B is bad or not effective.
Both can tank effectively in everything, one will have an easier time, the other a harder time, but effectiveness, both have.

[Shougun]

You are not understanding what Reika says. A being better than B does not means that B is bad or not effective.
Both can tank effectively in everything, one will have an easier time, the other a harder time, but effectiveness, both have.

Effectiveness is rated on the whole scale. If john is way better then bob at X then bob is not an effective choice.


So I disagree.

[Reika]

Well this isnt completely true at the end of 1.0. War has more DD designed combos that can generate hate faster when other abilities are on cool down and on the otherside Paladins shield block is massively more powerful then parry could ever be. Also War is alone on an island for all of his abilites, hp gain, and tp generation. PLD had boons form having a whm which is another reason besides guaranteed block that pld fighting Darnus hard was significantly easier.

I would just like war and gld to be adjusted where it could fit in spots that are vacant. For instance war should be able to be fit into that DD roll and while not be equal give something else to the table that drg or mnk cant. Same for Gladiator instead of pld because pld to me is to far gone to not be tank (I mean design not statistically as you can do dd pld and put up numbers far beyond most suspect).

Except they are not lol, there are -clear- winners for different situations.

For same skill and gear, there will be situations I will always pick a WAR over PLD and a PLD over WAR. Never "meh either one I dont care".

You are not understanding what Reika says. A being better than B does not means that B is bad or not effective.
Both can tank effectively in everything, one will have an easier time, the other a harder time, but effectiveness, both have.

No one understood me XD. I simply meant some people in here believe that both can do it all effectively. I don't. I KNOW paladin is the better single target tank and I KNOW warrior is the better multi-target tank.