{Backsteps} {No Thanks}

[Klefth]

And going back to my point, flipping the screen is inferior to simply running away from the direction you were facing. It takes pressing something unnecessary -then you get to watch as your screen wraps you around.. which is arguably jarring if you do it often. And then you can begin running away.

All of that is inferior (meaning slower, more annoying) to hitting a direction and your character running that way.

The thing is, it actually does take less to do that on a keyboard than it does on a gamepad. Likewise, moving the way 1.0 or console games do on a keyboard is more tiresome. You try moving like that on a keyboard, and you'll have 3 of your fingers dancing around your WASD keys, while with the standard keyboard/mouse movement controls it could take only one key and a movement of the mouse with your other hand.

I definitely can see how it is nicer for keyboard and mouse users, but being mostly a gamepad user I can also see why it's pretty uncomfortable on a gamepad. That's why I hope they'll deliver both options (which apparently they might).

[Warlock]

I think this sucks, too. Being able to run back is a lot better, not to mention it's much nicer on a controller than having to turn your camera around completely in order to run.

Man you must suck playing Armored Core

[SkyeWindbinder]

Hmm... Well I primarily played with the controller during 1.0. Not sure how backpedaling will be with the controls...

I'll just wait and see when the game comes out.

[Zehira]

I'll just wait and see when the game comes out.

Wait, you are not over 18 age to be in beta...?

I am not sure what your point is though.

[Pseudopsia]

No, the point is... this thread should be on hold until beta. o_o;

I agree. Beta will probably support both types of movements. You probably will able to switch to controller UI and use keyboard and mouse just like FFXIV 1.0.

This topic drives me nuts because of people who are not used to using either using standard keyboard/mouse mmorpg controls, console controller controls, or got used to using keyboard/mouse in FFXI/FFXIV. They can't see the other people point of view.

What I found:
- Movement relative to character is best with keyboard/mouse. This is ARR Alpha behavior.
- Movement relative to camera is best with controller. This is FFXIV 1.0 behavior.

[Klefth]

Man you must suck playing Armored Core

That is a third person shooter. You're talking about a completely different beast altogether. It's like trying to compare apples to staplers.

Having to turn my camera around is something I would obviously expect in that sort of game or in a first person one -controller or keyboard/mouse alike (I'd also rather use the latter in that sort of game if given the option, obviously), but that is not what we're talking about in here.

Next you'll bring an RTS/MOBA as an example? Oh wait, I think some people have already done that...

[Altena]

Maybe for K/M users it would be bearable, but what about those of us who use keyboard only? (well in 1.x)..

I can imagine it being a pain in the butt to rotate the camera a full 180 degrees before you can run away if playing without a mouse.. Tbh 1.x controls were godlike.

[Velhart]

You know, if I was sword fighting someone, I would most certainly be walking backwards with my shield up, not run with my back towards them while they throw any sharp object at my back.

[SkyeWindbinder]

Wait, you are not over 18 age to be in beta...?

I am not sure what your point is though.

Not over 18 age!? Beta!? Hunh?

[Pseudopsia]

The tester agreement requires you to be 18 or over. Zehira was just guessing you're too young because you said you had to wait till game is released. LOL