A possible compromise between questing vs mob exp party grinding.

[EinSoFZ]

I don't have an aversion to playing with people, and I do plan on solo questing.

I have an aversion to people who are anti-solo-questing, as you can see by the two that I've linked earlier in the topic. I have never once asked that grinding be removed from the game, or that dungeons be made solo-able, or that end-game raids be made solo-able.

But there have been people who have asked for this game to offer no solo options.

I read both of those when you originally linked and went back and read them again. Besides being a bit muddled in poorly written posts, neither of them say what you think they're saying. Neither post says to remove solo options, but that they prefer to party in their MMO experience. Some players develop poor excuses for reasonings against there being group activity (ie: having only 30 mins to play).

Personally speaking, I believe players should be playing the game together and that solo quests should be an option for times went you want to do your own thing. The problem is that too many players become islands when all they do is solo. When we're all own little islands and don't interact/party with others, the game really does suffer.

My fix? Just make partying more worth people's effort and time but don't nerf soloing.

[Xatsh]

I don't have an aversion to playing with people, and I do plan on solo questing.

I have an aversion to people who are anti-solo-questing, as you can see by the two that I've linked earlier in the topic. I have never once asked that grinding be removed from the game, or that dungeons be made solo-able, or that end-game raids be made solo-able.

But there have been people who have asked for this game to offer no solo options.

ON this point I will agree with you. The people who are anti-solo questing are just as much of the problem as the anti-grouping people.

[NamudNevets]

If I can get to cap w/o ever joining up with ppl with ease ima not be happy. Yes I will play cause I kno I can team up in endgame with my friends, but I know I will miss out on getting to kno n meet new ppl. If you wanna solo thats fine but it should b a much tougher option, not impossible but not as easy as group play. Everyone has what they like but grouping should be equaled out and solo should be a harder option. I know when I solo I look for a larger challenge.

[RowanLauron]

The whole point of this is to give ideas or other options to solo questing as far as grouping is concerned (other than dungeon running). Not only my idea. This is open to discussion for anyone else who has an idea to improve gameplay.

Talking about "grinds" and whether or not people want grinds to stay/go is irrelevant. The grind will be there. It's the essence of MMO's. It's just up to the developers to decide and determine how the grind will play out. That's why we provide feedback and ideas. In this community we are really lucky since our development team is actually listening to us the players. If you provide nothing but negativity and non-constructive feedback, you should not be surprised if they implement something you don't like or manage something in a way you don't agree with.

Yes we all pay the sub so no one's opinion is any less important than the other, but unless you are constructive, all you are is a loud voice with so substance. They won't listen to that. The game will go no where fast if that's the crowd they constantly listen to. In my opinion anyway

They keep you in the game for the long haul (especially sub based MMO's). Instant gratification goes against this, which is what seems to be the trend these days in current MMO's, or old MMO's changing into "the times".

[Warlock]

If I can get to cap w/o ever joining up with ppl with ease ima not be happy. Yes I will play cause I kno I can team up in endgame with my friends, but I know I will miss out on getting to kno n meet new ppl. If you wanna solo thats fine but it should b a much tougher option, not impossible but not as easy as group play. Everyone has what they like but grouping should be equaled out and solo should be a harder option. I know when I solo I look for a larger challenge.

that means you were never happy in 1.0? because soloing a job up to 50 was a joke >_> specially if you had leves

[Noblewar]

As someone (like maybe most of you) who has played WoW and has leveled a couple toons to cap, comparing the leveling systems there to what ARR is going to be, is trying to compare orange to apples.

WoW Quest Leveling

Step 1: Create Character#1. (Job Included)
Step 2: Quest, Quest, Quest.
Step 3: Instance/Quest.
Step 4:Create Character#2
Step 5: Repeat most of the quest you did with Char #1

ARR Quest Leveling

Step 1: Create Character. (Job Included)
Step 2: Quest, Quest, Quest.
Step 3: Instance/Quest
Step 4: Find New Quest to level.

So I hope you guys get the basic idea... Quest will not level all your jobs to cap unless they are repeatable for each class etc. In the end it will be real important to have the "party grind" be as balanced as the quest grind.


Edit: P.S. Yoshi Talk's about ARR as a Theme Park. Theme Parks have variety, they have many and different type of roller coasters, they also have small entertainment. When one goes to a theme park, one does not simply just ride the same coaster over and over, they will switch things up more commonly than not.

[Zehira]

WoW Quest Leveling

Step 4:Create Character#2

What's wrong with that? That's how you play Final Fantasy series (except FFXI.)

Edit: P.S. Yoshi Talk's about ARR as a Theme Park. Theme Parks have variety, they have many and different type of roller coasters, they also have small entertainment. When one goes to a theme park, one does not simply just ride the same coaster over and over, they will switch things up more commonly than not.

I think it's more likely we have a chocobo racing coming.

Different roller coasters are basically different dungeons.

[Reika]

How about adding the difficulty selection to each quest to turn it from a soloable quest into one that requires a party.

[RowanLauron]

How about adding the difficulty selection to each quest to turn it from a soloable quest into one that requires a party.

That would essentially turn all quests into guildleves so I'm not sure they would want to go that route. I do understand your point. If they only added a bonus to the turn in exp it may be reasonable to do so. That would definitely encourage group play.

Since they have leaves for that reason though, I doubt they would add a difficulty toggle like that on the normal quests.

I am also going by the assumption the solo quests will be just that...solo, so if you did decide to do it in a group all it would serve to complete the quests faster.

[NamudNevets]

that means you were never happy in 1.0? because soloing a job up to 50 was a joke >_> specially if you had leves

I was a bit unhappy with1.0. I did get in on a few xp pts but they were not able the same as 11, and leveling was destroyed when pling came out. My only beef was the lack of getting to know new ppl. Met sooooo many ppl in 11 everyday from all over the world. I get this not 11 but I just miss that community. I am stoked about arr no matter what I just want the 11 community back.